RE: Driven: Lotus Evora S IPS

[kambites]

SWoll said:

Not an opinion TBH, simple fact. Buyers vote with their wallets and we all know how poor Evora sales are. I don't think the same could be said for the 911 somehow...

The fact that buyers have thought the 911 and not the Evora (which is clearly true) shows that people have bought the 911 not the Evora. It doesn't show why.

I suspect the vast majority of 911 buyers have never even heard of the Evora, let alone seen one in the plastic or driven one. Would they have bought one if they had? Probably not, but we can never be certain.

[snuffy]

SWoll said:

snuffy said:

SWoll said:

.. and the new Esprit <£100K to take on the R8, 911 etc. Pitching it against the 458, MP4, Gallardo looks like an accident waiting to happen IMO.

I do not believe for one moment that a new Esprit will become a production car. Lotus will come up with an excuse and that will be the end of it. Trust me, it will never see the light of day.

If that is the case they might as well turn the lights off now then. Evora sales aren't worth talking about, Elise/Exige aren't much better and they're throwing a huge amount of money at motorsport for some reason. Like I say, I really do worry for their future.

It's just my personal opinion but the reason I say it is that when Lotus were making the M250 I came within a knats cock of putting my deposit down. I didn't in the end, but what a debarcle that turned in to. So, for that reason, I'd trust Lotus about as far as I could comfortably spit a rat.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Rawwr said:

£73,950. £73,950. Seventy-three thousand nine-hundred and fifty pounds. SEVENTY-THREE THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS! SEVENTY-THREE THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS!

finally a car with performance that a lotus should have

but omfg @ the price, how many people are there who buy cars costing this sort of money?

[robmlufc]

kambites said:

God you're not kidding are you? Last time I looked you couldn't get one for under 45k; now they're well into the 30s!

With 10k on the clock you can get one cheaper than a new Elise!!

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Rawwr said:

£73,950. £73,950. Seventy-three thousand nine-hundred and fifty pounds. SEVENTY-THREE THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS! SEVENTY-THREE THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS!

finally a car with performance that a lotus should have

but omfg @ the price, how many people are there who buy cars costing this sort of money?

Plenty, their just all buying 911's/M5's/R8's etc.

[saaby93]

Is the Evora unpopular?
Or is it popular within its niche just as the 911 is within its niche?
You dont see many about but the one Evora I've seen parked up looked reasonably popular with the people checking it out

[kambites]

robmlufc said:

kambites said:

God you're not kidding are you? Last time I looked you couldn't get one for under 45k; now they're well into the 30s!

With 10k on the clock you can get one cheaper than a new Elise!!

If they drop much further, they'll drop below second hand Elises of the same age. That would be rather odd.

[SWoll]

saaby93 said:

Is the Evora unpopular?
Or is it popular within its niche just as the 911 is within its niche?
You dont see many about but the one Evora I've seen parked up looked reasonably popular with the people checking it out

You're not Dany Bahar are you?

[kambites]

Certainly the people who own them seem to love them, so there is a niche for them. The question is whether that niche is big enough to support a model, and I suspect the answer is "no".

[justin220]

I own one, and the S IPS is on my short list when I decide to change.

That review didn't fill me with excitement though!

[forester2945]

To be fair, I have never seen the appeal of an auto in any sports car, but that aside the handful of Evoras I have seen in the flesh look much more distinctive then the frankly soulless 911 clones stamped out each year!

Yes lots more people will buy 911s (not knocking them I respect the, a lot just never been gripped by wanting one) that's not the point. they look great and if they are as good to drive as an Elise then what's not to like, and if the second hand ones keep getting cheaper then I may be able to swap the Elise for one in a few years. (yes I drive an Elise so I am biased)

[jagnet]

[redacted]

[kambites]

[redacted]

[saaby93]

[redacted]

[E38Ross]

kambites said:

Rawwr said:

£73,950. £73,950. Seventy-three thousand nine-hundred and fifty pounds. SEVENTY-THREE THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS! SEVENTY-THREE THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS!

And what's the starting point for a 911 PDK these days?

you mean the one with the MUCH better gearbox

i like the evora but didn't think they were that expensive! are they, more realistically, a cayman S rival as opposed to a 911 rival? seems the performance would seem so, but then it has (limited??) back seats.

if i wanted a lotus, i'd want a manual, no questions asked. if i wanted an auto one, i'd want it a bloody good one, not some old-school torque converter....in a barge, perhaps, a sports car, no thanks.

Edited by E38Ross on Thursday 2nd February 10:28

[harryowl]

jagnet said:

Quite often see MP4-12Cs around here, but have yet to see an Evora on the road.

But 1450kg - not a case of adding lightness. That's just one passenger short of a 6 cylinder XJS I appreciate that things have moved on - airbags, side intrusion, etc - but wow, for a Lotus that's pretty lardy.

It's the same weight and power as a a boggo 911. It's also cheaper.

[theboyfold]

kambites said:

If they drop much further, they'll drop below second hand Elises of the same age. That would be rather odd.

At which point I will be buying one!

I love Lotus, I love the brand, I think the Evora is lovely in the flesh (I know I'm in the minority with this). It's such a shame what they are trying to do. I would love it if they built a 1.8 RWD soft top like the old MX5 and sell it off at a price that people can afford. Why they are trying to fight the likes of Porsche is utter madness to me.

[kambites]

E38Ross said:

you mean the one with the MUCH better gearbox

Yeah, that's the one.

I was querying whether the Evora IPS is really being let down by its price, or just by the fact that it's apparently rubbish.

[E38Ross]

kambites said:

E38Ross said:

you mean the one with the MUCH better gearbox

Yeah, that's the one.

I was querying whether the Evora IPS is really being let down by its price, or just by the fact that it's apparently rubbish.

oh

[E38Ross]

harryowl said:

jagnet said:

Quite often see MP4-12Cs around here, but have yet to see an Evora on the road.

But 1450kg - not a case of adding lightness. That's just one passenger short of a 6 cylinder XJS I appreciate that things have moved on - airbags, side intrusion, etc - but wow, for a Lotus that's pretty lardy.

It's the same weight and power as a a boggo 911. It's also cheaper.

if buying new, it certainly won't be cheaper to run over a few years come sale time though...