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hewlett
2,127 posts
90 months
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If you want a chuckle turn on the Google powered automatic translation when watching this, enjoy
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s m
8,111 posts
72 months
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bicycleshorts said: johnfelstead said: Good that chris found out about a proper LSD option, that should make it even more fun. I wonder
what diff unit it has under there, R200 maybe? Apologies if I've misunderstood, but a Torsen diff is mechanical? What was the extra option they were talking about - a plate diff? Welded? They've stated for a while that a Torsen would be standard with the option of a plate diff
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robsprocket
22 posts
47 months
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menguin said: Your way of justifying 'poor value for money' was by comparing it to a pre-owned car. Therefore totally useless. Not justifying, just comparing what £25000 can get you. Maybe your just the sort of sucker Toyota is looking/hoping for.
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Rawwr
12,692 posts
103 months
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robsprocket said: Not justifying, just comparing what £25000 can get you.
Maybe your just the sort of sucker Toyota is looking/hoping for. Ouch.
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bicycleshorts
1,562 posts
30 months
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s m said: bicycleshorts said: johnfelstead said: Good that chris found out about a proper LSD option, that should make it even more fun. I wonder
what diff unit it has under there, R200 maybe? Apologies if I've misunderstood, but a Torsen diff is mechanical? What was the extra option they were talking about - a plate diff? Welded? They've stated for a while that a Torsen would be standard with the option of a plate diff Cheers buddy, hadn't seen that before.
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johnfelstead
3,477 posts
105 months
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Torsen diff is a torque biasing differential, they work great if you can keep both tyres on the ground, lift a wheel and they spin the torque away to fresh air.
The option would be a plated diff, which can transfer torque even if one wheel is off the ground, that can be set as a 1 way, 1.5 way or 2 way depending on how you design the ramps that control the plate load charicteristics.
Subaru's use R160 and R180 rear diff units, Nissan RWD have used R200, they all come from the same family of units which is a Nissan component. The number is the diameter of the Crown Wheel, bigger is stronger but heavier, and with a RWD car you would need a larger rear diff unit than an AWD car with the same overall engine torque, so it will be interesting to see what unit they have chosen.
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bicycleshorts
1,562 posts
30 months
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johnfelstead said: Torsen diff is a torque biasing differential, they work great if you can keep both tyres on the ground, lift a wheel and they spin the torque away to fresh air.
The option would be a plated diff, which can transfer torque even if one wheel is off the ground, that can be set as a 1 way, 1.5 way or 2 way depending on how you design the ramps that control the plate load charicteristics.
Subaru's use R160 and R180 rear diff units, Nissan RWD have used R200, they all come from the same family of units which is a Nissan component. The number is the diameter of the Crown Wheel, bigger is stronger but heavier, and with a RWD car you would need a larger rear diff unit than an AWD car with the same overall engine torque, so it will be interesting to see what unit they have chosen. Good info, thanks for that  I assume these also offer more (/quicker/more custom) full locking hence why they're favoured in drifting? I can't imagine they're tripoding much?
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Guibo
274 posts
134 months
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robsprocket said: Not justifying, just comparing what £25000 can get you.
Maybe your just the sort of sucker Toyota is looking/hoping for. Yes, but you could also get a 370Z with slightly more miles (7k) for only £20k. Wouldn't that make you a sucker for buying a 370Z for £25k?
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Garlick
38,298 posts
109 months
PH Manager Bloke
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Rawwr said: robsprocket said: Not justifying, just comparing what £25000 can get you.
Maybe your just the sort of sucker Toyota is looking/hoping for. Ouch. Quite. I wonder if TV forums are full of people saying 'you can get a nice used CRT at cash4U on the High St for £30, why bother with a new £5000 LCD?'
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jhayward1980
36 posts
83 months
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I just don't get it. I know I'm not alone on this. I also know I'm about to get trolled to oblivion. This is the emperor's clothes in car form.
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menguin
2,907 posts
90 months
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Rawwr said: robsprocket said: Not justifying, just comparing what £25000 can get you.
Maybe your just the sort of sucker Toyota is looking/hoping for. Ouch. 
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backlash
11 posts
84 months
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Stuart said: robsprocket said: So a buyer has £25000 burning a hole in their pocket and has to decide whether to go for a new GT86 or a 6 month old Nissan 370Z GT with under 1000 miles on the clock....hmmmmm.
I'm sure the Toyota is good, but £25000+ lol.
Wasn't the price originally supposed to be around £20k. Ah excellent. I thought the thread was looking a bit weird without the "but I could buy a [insert chosen alternative for about £25k here] and it'd be much better" comment. All's well with the world. A fair point. Lost entirely when 'Director Bloke' wades in and makes it. Tongue in cheek or not. Are you not able to watch from the stands and let us mere mortals wage our pithy wars, make our inane comments and accept that some old cliches will be wheeled out time and again? Moderation is one thing, but pouncing on those who consciously or otherwise perpetuate discussion, albeit tired, is not necessary from a director's PoV. Is it? This said, after your numerous point scoring retorts. Good article/vid as ever from CH. 
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J B L
3,030 posts
84 months
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robsprocket said: menguin said: Your way of justifying 'poor value for money' was by comparing it to a pre-owned car. Therefore totally useless. Not justifying, just comparing what £25000 can get you. Maybe your just the sort of sucker Toyota is looking/hoping for. I love these sort of comments. Perhaps you should be thankful there are 'suckers' out there buying brand new cars so you can enjoy them cheaper.
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5lab
1,268 posts
65 months
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so are these chris harris on cars vids actually linked to ph? theres no branding on the video. if not, without anh advertising, how are the trips/filming etc being funded?
great work so far thou
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infernal
50 posts
31 months
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If you bought a new DBS you are stupid cause you could have bought a used 458 If you bought a new 911 carrera you are stupid because you could have bought a used Gallardo If you bought a new RS3 you are stupid because you could have bought a used gt-r if you bought a new focus rs you are stupid cause you could have bought a used e92 M3 bunch of bloody spoons thanks for the review CH decent job considering i am not paying a tv licence for it  edit for PC
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robsprocket
22 posts
47 months
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Just checked Broadspeed.com and a brand new Nissan 370Z is £25662. Oh dear.
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johnfelstead
3,477 posts
105 months
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bicycleshorts said: Good info, thanks for that I assume these also offer more (/quicker/more custom) full locking hence why they're favoured in drifting? I can't imagine they're tripoding much? A setup for proper drifting wouldnt work on a road car, you would want it to be relatively slack preload with fairly gentle braking ramps and maybe a more agresive power ramp to make it less understeer biased. A lot of the subaru OEM plated LSD units are relatively softly pre-loaded with an equal ramp setup under braking/power, they work really well with a front torsen diff and variable rate plated centre diff. Lots of diff options for these Nissan units, so should be fun to work with even if you buy a normal torsen version and want to do a bit of your own tuning, if they have used this family of diff assemblies.
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KevSeymour
646 posts
42 months
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Really liked that video, i don't doubt that the joy Chris was showing was genuine - and for a £25k car to get that response from someone in his privileged position it must be good.
I can't buy a new one, but they'll certainly be on the list as a used buy in a couple of years.
Who knows, maybe we're looking at the de facto answer to all the £2k what car threads in 8 years time.
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gck303
74 posts
103 months
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infernal said: bunch of bloody spastics Please do not use that term in a derogatory way. You may be surprised to know that this really rather offensive to most people. Even more so to those that have friends/family with cerebral palsy. >>>From the Wikipedia<<< The current understanding of the word is well-illustrated by a BBC survey in 2003, which found that "spastic" was the second most offensive term in the UK relating to disability (retard was deemed most offensive).[2] In 2007, Lynne Murphy, a linguist at the University of Sussex, described the term as being "one of the most taboo insults to a British ear".
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Capt Canuck
9 posts
67 months
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Excellent video. Well done to PH for shoehorning one in on a press day such as that. The interior may be a bit naff, but maybe there will be an option for just a single colour, without the accents. robsprocket said: Just checked Broadspeed.com and a brand new Nissan 370Z is £25662. Oh dear. Great! Go buy one and start a thread about it.
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