RE: Audi TT RS Plus announced
Discussion
amazing ive never seen a car defended by its "G" capability...lol the audi's always deliver a pretty car inside and out (although this one is a bit sloughesk). Its just will it give you the driver feel, my day driver is the same chassis a Leon FR, with my weekender an M5 the wife drives. The Leon doesnt give the best involvement - and when I see £50k for the same floor pan, tied with audi's 4x4 makes for a rather dull drive. I did see recently a video of that RS3 against the M1 around anglesea, watching the drivers involvement driving a fast lap. He almost looked bored and disconnected.
Everytime Ive driven an Audi - Ive wanted to like them, the only one that worked for me was the RS4 - what a lovely bit of kit that is to drive.
And I cant beleive that people would buy an TT over an M3 with rear drive and lap times to die for...not 0-60, 0-100....and then say the M3 eventually passed the TT....isnt that then the faster car......I suppose at least this TT looks more sporty than the RS3 - which after seeing one on the road I had to look hard to see that it wasnt an S-Line....
Everytime Ive driven an Audi - Ive wanted to like them, the only one that worked for me was the RS4 - what a lovely bit of kit that is to drive.
And I cant beleive that people would buy an TT over an M3 with rear drive and lap times to die for...not 0-60, 0-100....and then say the M3 eventually passed the TT....isnt that then the faster car......I suppose at least this TT looks more sporty than the RS3 - which after seeing one on the road I had to look hard to see that it wasnt an S-Line....
johnpeat said:
When I see the Panamera Turbo ahead of the 911 Turbo S I do have to wonder if they're not mixed-up test conditions (weather/tyres/surface/driver/fuel load and all that) a bit there...
Panamera turbo has a similar amount of power to the 911 Turbo S, its obviously a lot heavier and a good second slower to 62mph but that doesn't mean it doesnt launch harder pulling more G force.johnpeat said:
Translation - a car which is turbocharged can be tuned easily by turning up the boost and mapping accordingly (and hoping the engine doesn't explode) - a car which is not, cannot.
Not exactly news that, is it??
I dont get your point, all cars can be tuned diagnostically, not just turbocharged cars. When comparing like for like, standard vs standard or tuned vs tuned, we need to compare apples and apples. Spend £600 on 1 car so spend £600 on the other. A TC car obviously having a massive tuning advantage which makes TC cars far more appealing over a large capacity gas guzzling hard to tune engine ;-)Not exactly news that, is it??
tommy vercetti said:
Too expensive, and I might be missing the point but you cpuld get better cars for that money imo
Show me a quicker car for the money, any day to day road going car that accelerates quicker than the TTRS for sub £50k? Lets not compare apples and oranges again, new vs new please.ortontom said:
amazing ive never seen a car defended by its "G" capability...lol the audi's always deliver a pretty car inside and out (although this one is a bit sloughesk). Its just will it give you the driver feel, my day driver is the same chassis a Leon FR, with my weekender an M5 the wife drives. The Leon doesnt give the best involvement - and when I see £50k for the same floor pan, tied with audi's 4x4 makes for a rather dull drive. I did see recently a video of that RS3 against the M1 around anglesea, watching the drivers involvement driving a fast lap. He almost looked bored and disconnected.
Everytime Ive driven an Audi - Ive wanted to like them, the only one that worked for me was the RS4 - what a lovely bit of kit that is to drive.
And I cant beleive that people would buy an TT over an M3 with rear drive and lap times to die for...not 0-60, 0-100....and then say the M3 eventually passed the TT....isnt that then the faster car......I suppose at least this TT looks more sporty than the RS3 - which after seeing one on the road I had to look hard to see that it wasnt an S-Line....
G capability gives you that push back in the seat feeling doesn't it. If a TTRS pulls 1.01 G and a GTR/ 911 Turbo S manages 0.96G what car feels quicker? Okay yes, that is only initially, perhaps 0-10/0-20mph or so and then the hp advantage of the GTR/911 will pull through and give a better 60 times but still the TTRS has 335hp, the other 2 500hp+Everytime Ive driven an Audi - Ive wanted to like them, the only one that worked for me was the RS4 - what a lovely bit of kit that is to drive.
And I cant beleive that people would buy an TT over an M3 with rear drive and lap times to die for...not 0-60, 0-100....and then say the M3 eventually passed the TT....isnt that then the faster car......I suppose at least this TT looks more sporty than the RS3 - which after seeing one on the road I had to look hard to see that it wasnt an S-Line....
What is it about the M3? It has a 414hp V8 engine that is very thirsty on fuel and emits enough C02 to put it in the highest road tax band. It is difficult and expensive to tune, it depreciates heavily, it has RWD so less amount of off the line grip and no good in bad weather. TTRS is quicker with significantly less power, it returns 33mpg, it cost £245pa to tax, it is cheap to tune and its not going to get stuck on the drive when a blizzard comes down. M3 costs £55k, TTRS costs £45k. TTRS is far more appealing to me based on all that.
As to the video, tuned M3 vs a standard TTRS, 100hp difference or so. It only passes at 140mph or so having never recovered from the mauling it gets off the line. That's comparing apples and oranges again though, map the TTRS and the M3 would never catch up.
Look at the classifieds to see how much N/A big engined motors are suffering, they depreciate heavily due to the running costs involved in keeping them. This makes them less desirable. Some people are infatuated with Nurburgring laptimes though, just like James May on TG last night, I have absolutely no idea why? Perhaps 1% of the driving population will ever visit a race track, the other 99% couldn't give a monkeys. For me, the nurburgring laptime of a car is way down the list when thinking about what car to buy. For some on here, I guess its high on the list. Straight line grunt is far more appealing to me as I drive straight line 365 days of the year and use that performance about 364 days of that. How much G I can pull through a corner, well 0 amount of days but I appreciate that for some its the other way around. Im glad we are all different, different strokes for different folks and all that :-)
Very easy to bash a car you have never driven but I doubt most of you have even seen a TTRS out on the road, they are rare cars. RS3's are even rarer but I do agree with you, they are not my cup of tea either, blisteringly quick but doesn't look anything special. TTRS can look quite menacing.
Granted its not for everyone, some people cant get round the old hairdresser image or it shares the same floorplan as the widely available golf but look at what else it offers. Running costs are just as much impressive as the performance is. Audi quote 33mpg average, even driving the car like an absolute lunatic as shown in the video below my fuel computer is showing 31mpg average over 10,000m
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AATsvLPXSM
Edited by MitchyRS on Monday 13th February 10:06
MitchyRS said:
Very easy to bash a car you have never driven but I doubt most of you have even seen a TTRS out on the road, they are rare cars. RS3's are even rarer but I do agree with you, they are not my cup of tea either, blisteringly quick but doesn't look anything special. TTRS can look quite menacing.
I seen one on the road, it was being driven at roughly 90mph in a 30 zone - guess that type of car will attract those 'types'.You really do not get RWD do you?
jimslops said:
I seen one on the road, it was being driven at roughly 90mph in a 30 zone - guess that type of car will attract those 'types'.
You really do not get RWD do you?
I've watched enough top gear to know that they drift a lot better ;-) If handling is your main priority when deciding on which car to buy, fair enough. It's not for me though, I'm more interested in its 0-60/0-100/1/4m pace as for me that is far more useful with what I want from a car. I like straight line speed not holding on for deal life hurtling round blind B road bends at the speed of light.You really do not get RWD do you?
Never really associated a TTRS or any Audi for that matter with the chav label? Usually the types that you are referring too drive around in Japanese branded car with vrrrrrr pssshhhht noises coming from under the bonnet ;-)
90 in a 30 is taking the piss though, no need.
MitchyRS said:
I've watched enough top gear to know that they drift a lot better ;-) If handling is your main priority when deciding on which car to buy, fair enough. It's not for me though, I'm more interested in its 0-60/0-100/1/4m pace as for me that is far more useful with what I want from a car. I like straight line speed not holding on for deal life hurtling round blind B road bends at the speed of light.
Never really associated a TTRS or any Audi for that matter with the chav label? Usually the types that you are referring too drive around in Japanese branded car with vrrrrrr pssshhhht noises coming from under the bonnet ;-)
90 in a 30 is taking the piss though, no need.
TTRS / M3 / New subaru's / New Evo's - I have seen chavs in them all. The majority will be decent hard working types / business owners but they are the creme de creme for yer rich tradesman / cash rich drug dealer etc.Never really associated a TTRS or any Audi for that matter with the chav label? Usually the types that you are referring too drive around in Japanese branded car with vrrrrrr pssshhhht noises coming from under the bonnet ;-)
90 in a 30 is taking the piss though, no need.
Think you need this
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=corvett...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=monaro&...
Edited by jimslops on Monday 13th February 10:23
Dave Hedgehog said:
on the a4 or larger platforms including the V8s the engine does sit a lot further forward than the TT engine, you can see here its on the axel and tilted slightly backward
and the allroads a bus
Exactly. The engine is transverse and sits behind the front wheels.
and the allroads a bus
Before I increased the power of my RS, I can confirm it was genuinely very bland to drive imo. Almost too sure footed and as a result, lacked excitement. Now that I'm running c.450bhp the car is alive, edgy and very exciting to drive....and the chassis can easily handle the power!
JJMatrixx said:
Exactly. The engine is transverse and sits behind the front wheels.
Before I increased the power of my RS, I can confirm it was genuinely very bland to drive imo. Almost too sure footed and as a result, lacked excitement. Now that I'm running c.450bhp the car is alive, edgy and very exciting to drive....and the chassis can easily handle the power!
What was cost to get to 450bhp? Just a £600 remap?Before I increased the power of my RS, I can confirm it was genuinely very bland to drive imo. Almost too sure footed and as a result, lacked excitement. Now that I'm running c.450bhp the car is alive, edgy and very exciting to drive....and the chassis can easily handle the power!
J-P said:
Hmmm... my 911 doesn't need geo but might be better for it. Also comment on the rally is ludicrous as driver ability is of far greater importance in a race than simply the car. I mean I'm sure if you put Michael Schumacher in a Hyundai Coupe S and asked him to race me around the Nurburgring after I'd been practicing for a month with me in the 911, he'd still kick my arse! Doesn't turn the Hyundai into a driver's car though but a 911 definitely is!
Yes, but what car do you drive? 
jimslops said:
I seen one on the road, it was being driven at roughly 90mph in a 30 zone - guess that type of car will attract those 'types'.
Well, if you saw someone driving one at 90mph in a 30 zone then quite obviously the car is to blame. jimslops said:
You really do not get RWD do you?
Ooooh, hanging the back end out on the public road is so cool! Wait, doesn't that put you in the same class of tw@ who'd do 90 in a 30 zone?Lucas Ayde said:
So what does RWD bring to road cars when driven at semi-legal speeds on the public road?
It brings absolutely nothing and no benefit whatsoever. I have now realised the error of my ways and now think my RWD cars are a waste of time and I should of had FWD all along. 
What benefit do you think it brings you complete clown?
Unbelievable.
jimslops said:
It brings absolutely nothing and no benefit whatsoever. I have now realised the error of my ways and now think my RWD cars are a waste of time and I should of had FWD all along.
What benefit do you think it brings you complete clown?
Unbelievable.
I guess I'm so stupid that I need a hardcore petrolhead type like you to spell out why I'd really want a typical roadcar (to be driven in a more or less legal manner) to have RWD instead of FWD or AWD.What benefit do you think it brings you complete clown?
Unbelievable.
Actual reasons, not fluffy pseudo-petrolhead Topgear-parroting BS please.
Bottom line is that the TT-RS goes like stink, manages to not hit the highest road tax bracket, is astonishingly frugal on petrol for the performance, is relatively cheap to maintain, should retain value better than similar priced cars, is very comfortable and practical (for a performance car) and is easy to drive.
It's not comparable to a thoroughbred sports car on the track but on the road it pretty much hits the mark as a car that's driveable day to day but is also extremely quick. I don't think too many typical owners will be unhappy that it will tend to understeer rather than oversteer should you push it over the (considerable) limits of grip on a public road.
It's not comparable to a thoroughbred sports car on the track but on the road it pretty much hits the mark as a car that's driveable day to day but is also extremely quick. I don't think too many typical owners will be unhappy that it will tend to understeer rather than oversteer should you push it over the (considerable) limits of grip on a public road.
Why are all these TT owners trying to justify their cars? The cold hard facts are, is that Audi TT, in any form ; dull to drive, has no steering feedback and has a tendency to understeer. If this wasn't true then why do we have people arguing with it, listing off 0-60 times and the like? I'm not being rude, but its like MitchyRS has put everything he wants (or thinks he wants) from a car into a calculator, the TTRS is the result, yet he has completely missed the point. You're clearly very insecure about your purchase with endless attempts to try an persuade otherwise.
If you chose a TT, fine. Get overyourself trying to change facts, rather than what you think are peoples opinion on the car.
If you chose a TT, fine. Get overyourself trying to change facts, rather than what you think are peoples opinion on the car.
PaperCut said:
Why are all these TT owners trying to justify their cars? The cold hard facts are, is that Audi TT, in any form ; dull to drive, has no steering feedback and has a tendency to understeer. If this wasn't true then why do we have people arguing with it, listing off 0-60 times and the like? I'm not being rude, but its like MitchyRS has put everything he wants (or thinks he wants) from a car into a calculator, the TTRS is the result, yet he has completely missed the point. You're clearly very insecure about your purchase with endless attempts to try an persuade otherwise.
If you chose a TT, fine. Get overyourself trying to change facts, rather than what you think are peoples opinion on the car.
Lol, its not me missing the point at all, it's what works for me and what I want from a car. I think some of you have been reading too much evo magazine If you chose a TT, fine. Get overyourself trying to change facts, rather than what you think are peoples opinion on the car.
If a car is getting a bashing, be it a 911 turbo, a GTR or an M3, the respective owners who actually own these things will come on and defend it. No different here.
MitchyRS said:
PaperCut said:
Why are all these TT owners trying to justify their cars? The cold hard facts are, is that Audi TT, in any form ; dull to drive, has no steering feedback and has a tendency to understeer. If this wasn't true then why do we have people arguing with it, listing off 0-60 times and the like? I'm not being rude, but its like MitchyRS has put everything he wants (or thinks he wants) from a car into a calculator, the TTRS is the result, yet he has completely missed the point. You're clearly very insecure about your purchase with endless attempts to try an persuade otherwise.
If you chose a TT, fine. Get overyourself trying to change facts, rather than what you think are peoples opinion on the car.
Lol, its not me missing the point at all, it's what works for me and what I want from a car. I think some of you have been reading too much evo magazine If you chose a TT, fine. Get overyourself trying to change facts, rather than what you think are peoples opinion on the car.
If a car is getting a bashing, be it a 911 turbo, a GTR or an M3, the respective owners who actually own these things will come on and defend it. No different here.
Interesting you mention those cars as i was also going to say that you never hear (or at least i haven't) of owners of those cars having to justify their ownership to the levels you have. Because those are 'drivers' cars. I also find it a bit hard to believe that handling and fun to drive is, as you say, not a high priority - if it isn't then fine, but theres no point in arguing a case for it IMHO.
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