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Zod
23,488 posts
128 months
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Wills2 said: Munich said: but then you could argue that the BMW 640d makes the M6 irrelevant. As a Autobahn-stormer, the 640d covers 95% of the performance that the M6 can offer but would use far less fuel (therefore travel further on one tank), is probably a more comfortable cruiser, costs less to buy and as a percentage would retain more of its initial purchase value. But in markets that don't need a diesel, I'm thinking the US and China this will do extremely well, an example is the X6M in the US. Autocar stated that it's selling so well that they have delayed the launch of the hybrid. Some of these cars may not stack up in the UK but do in other larger markets. Quite right. I was in Gaerching for the M5 launch in March and they old me that the X5 M and X6 M have sold slowly in Europe, but are hugely popular in the US and Asia.
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Zaxxon
4,057 posts
30 months
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I think that is simply lovely. Everything is just right in that 1/4 view, I hope it lives up to the initial impression in the flesh.
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pSyCoSiS
1,596 posts
75 months
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Looks menacing, and nice to see BMW launching these cars in some lairy colours, rather than the boring and bland choices.
Still, I would rather have the M5...
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dvs_dave
3,616 posts
95 months
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D200 said: I have never read a more stupid comment than this – the GTR makes the M6 obsolete
For a start they aren’t even competitors but even if they were, it still a ridiculous statement
Going by that stupid logic then – something like an EVO X FQ360 makes nearly ALL Mercedes c classes, Audi A4, jax XF;s Audi A6, Merc E class and S class, even most Bentleys etc all obsolete – as its faster and cheaper
And then say if a 320d is faster and cheaper than a C220d, or even an E220d or 520d, A6 2.0 TDi – the 320d makes all those cars obsolete – because it’s cheaper and faster [and they are all 4 door saloons]
And something like a Meganne RS 265 makes a every car that slower and more expensive than it ‘obsolete’, i.e. golf GTi and every car like that is totally obsolete, the Meganne would also make most 3 Series, C classes and Audi A4’s obsolete
And as previous people stated the GTR makes ALL Porsches, Jags, Bentley, most Ferraris, Merc's, BMW, Audi, etc obsolete?
I could go on and on but you get my drift – saying the GTR makes the M6 obselete is a completely idiotic statement
You could apply the same logic to houses – if you have house a costs says 200k and has 5 bedrooms – so its makes house B with 4 bedrooms that cost 250k totally obsolete as it’s bigger and cheaper – end of story. There are different factors people take into account when purchasing anything, it’s not pure measurements and price Bit of a binary way of thinking there. The biggest problems for the M6 Coupe are very simply the 640d which makes a better GT, and the GTR which is a better sports car. Both of which are significantly cheaper. It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals.
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Guibo
274 posts
135 months
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dvs_dave said: The biggest problems for the M6 Coupe are very simply the 640d which makes a better GT, and the GTR which is a better sports car. Both of which are significantly cheaper.
It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals. But was there not also a 6-series diesel in the previous generation, being sold concurrently with the M6? You haven't made the case that the better sports car *de-justifies* the existence of another car. You'd have to prove that outright ability and price are inextricably linked to the exclusion of any other factors.
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Munich
928 posts
66 months
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Wills2 said: But in markets that don't need a diesel, I'm thinking the US and China this will do extremely well, an example is the X6M in the US. Autocar stated that it's selling so well that they have delayed the launch of the hybrid.
Some of these cars may not stack up in the UK but do in other larger markets. Quite possibly true, especially when you look at the pricing of M-models in the US (last year a friend of mine living in the US was paying less per month to lease a M3 than it would have cost me to lease a 118d here in German!), but then my argument could quite as easily apply to a 650i. Especially in the US where speed limits are even lower than the UK. However, as I said in my original post, thank goodness there are people out there that only want the fastest, most expensive model available (which is definitely the case in China) regardless of whether it actually makes any rational sense (otherwise we would all be driving 320d EDs...  )
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D200
163 posts
17 months
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MonkeyMatt said: Remember that is a car given to Topgear to showcase what can be had if you want it! 20'' wheels, nightvision, etc. I imagine the equivelant BMW or Merc could easily specced up the same!
The BMW is still knocking on the door of some very exotic and unique machines! Is it really a car that would make you turn round to have one last look before you walked awy like an Ason, Maserati or even a Fisker! In the article the compared the prices of the option with Merc E Class and BMW 5 - the Audi is more expensive on nearly every option- some options on it cost £2k whereas the BMW or Merc equivalent cost £1200. While this was obviouly a heavily optioned car it hadnt everything - it is possible to spend £91k on a 3.0 TDI A6 Avants - crazy!
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D200
163 posts
17 months
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Webber3 said: I bought the previous 650 vert, so it's hardly a shock for me. I was thinking about upgrading, but I think they're taking the piss with their price increases. I fully agree. But all manufacturers seem to be taking the piss with pricing these days not just BMW - that is the point I am making e.g. - Jaguar XK 5.0 V8 RS Convertible is £103k
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D200
163 posts
17 months
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dvs_dave said: Bit of a binary way of thinking there.
The biggest problems for the M6 Coupe are very simply the 640d which makes a better GT, and the GTR which is a better sports car. Both of which are significantly cheaper.
It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals. The 640d is a not direct competitor to the M6. Same as a 335d is not a competitor to an M3. Or a merc C350CDI is not a competitor to a C63 and so on. Some people simply do not want to drive a diesel car as a weekend toy, no matter how good they are. Funny I was speaking to a salesman about this recently and he says most of they customers drive about in a Diesel RR, Porsche or Merc SUV for work and have something like an M6 [or whatever] as a weekend GT car - they simply don’t want a diesel even though a 640d would be totally suffice. Although understandably they want something that has a nice note off it – i.e. a nice petrol V8 rumble In markets like the US, Middle East they definitely wouldn’t even half consider a diesel. And as stated before the GTR is not a competitor to an M6 for most of its target audience - some people yes but the vast majority no Its competitors are other big flashy premium European 4 seat coupes/convertibelsverts - like the Jag XK, Masser etc - and its pricing is on par with them – i.e. – eye wateringly expensive 
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Trommel
10,650 posts
129 months
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D200 said: Although understandably they want something that has a nice note off it – i.e. a nice petrol V8 rumble Even the diesels do this via the electronic fake engine noise piped through the speakers.
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D200
163 posts
17 months
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Trommel said: Even the diesels do this via the electronic fake engine noise piped through the speakers. They sound totally fine when driving but at tick over or posing through towns still sound like a diesel
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WCZ
1,499 posts
64 months
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Polarbert said: Thats unbelievable! oh yeah? then how about this: the £143,000 3.0 tdi 
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tommy vercetti
3,611 posts
33 months
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WCZ said: Polarbert said: Thats unbelievable! oh yeah? then how about this: the £143,000 3.0 tdi lol wtf?
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g3org3y
7,056 posts
61 months
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WCZ said: Polarbert said: Thats unbelievable! oh yeah? then how about this: the £143,000 3.0 tdi 79k of extras!? Armoured edition?
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Zod
23,488 posts
128 months
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g3org3y said: WCZ said: Polarbert said: Thats unbelievable! oh yeah? then how about this: the £143,000 3.0 tdi 79k of extras!? Armoured edition? Those are a LOT more expensive.
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Polarbert
16,894 posts
101 months
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I assume the A6L is foreign market only? Didn't China have a lot of those.
I'm on the car configurator. £1,200 for automatic boot opening/closing is ridiculous! How can they charge that much for a solenoid and an electric motor connected to the tailgate?
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Polarbert
16,894 posts
101 months
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Oh, and I don't know why, but I really, really want those LED headlights.
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tommy vercetti
3,611 posts
33 months
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Polarbert said: I assume the A6L is foreign market only? Didn't China have a lot of those.
I'm on the car configurator. £1,200 for automatic boot opening/closing is ridiculous! How can they charge that much for a solenoid and an electric motor connected to the tailgate? Because they know that their are people out their that will pay for it, even if it is ridiculous (?)
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Kong
1,332 posts
41 months
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Oh not this car X is better value than car Y because you COULD select a load of OPTIONS on car Y b  ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff. Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
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Polarbert
16,894 posts
101 months
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Kong said: Oh not this car X is better value than car Y because you COULD select a load of OPTIONS on car Y b ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff. Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont). You've missed the point entirely. It was to do with the fact that the M6 used to be between 60-70k new, and now its 100k. Similarly you can spec an Audi A6 to 80k.  
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