RE: Electric Morgan promises sideways fun
Discussion
garypotter said:
Thank you for that comment, made me chuckle.
Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
7x70 = ....?Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
Mr Gear said:
garypotter said:
Thank you for that comment, made me chuckle.
Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
7x70 = ....?Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
garypotter said:
Thank you for that comment, made me chuckle.
Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
So you do 70 miles a day and think 100 is too littleAlso on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
If you recharge at home then you get 700miles a week
recharge at home and at work then you get 200 miles a weekday and 100 a day per weekend giving you 1200 miles a week which is 62400 a year. considering the average milage per car is about 8000 miles a year it is enough
You are in a minority to be doing 70 miles a day as that puts you at over double the average
But this has been gone over many many times before so back to the slightly silly morgan which you woudn't use to commute in anyway.
garypotter said:
Mr Gear said:
garypotter said:
Thank you for that comment, made me chuckle.
Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
7x70 = ....?Also on another note why do these manufacturers think a range of 100 miles is acceptable for electric cars???
I fill my car up with jesus juice and i can squeeze between 270-340 miles which lasts about 7 days, how long would it take to recharge fully the batteries and what if on my daily commute of 70 miles I have to take a detour and i run out of power, do I pop into woolworths for a couple of AA batteries to get me home?
I don't get all of the moaning about range. It's all relatively new technology in this format and it will improve. Petrol was just the same. 'It wouldn't do for my daily commute' - well its not designed for it.
Stuff like this is an evolutionary step.
The Crack Fox said:
You again ? 
No, I don't want one, and accord to Smart's own website they've only been trialled so far (100 were leased to London based companies as part of a trial), but, and I quote "smart fortwo electric drive is coming in 2012!" for any individual who is interested in buying or leasing one.
Well if you don't want to buy one, why do you keep posting on here that you are "waiting" for them to go on sale?No, I don't want one, and accord to Smart's own website they've only been trialled so far (100 were leased to London based companies as part of a trial), but, and I quote "smart fortwo electric drive is coming in 2012!" for any individual who is interested in buying or leasing one.
I would imagine that Smart realises most of the customers will want a lease arrangement, so that is all they have offered. I don't understand why you continue to labour on this one particular point.
It certainly has no bearing on an electric Morgan, which is less likely to be a utility car and more a fun toy... assuming the bean-counters think it will be worth their while, which is ultimately what it all comes down to in both the case of Morgan and Smart.
Edited by Mr Gear on Tuesday 14th February 12:39
I've wondered about geared electric vehicles before and been told it likely will offer some advantages in efficiency as well as letting you have a good chunk more power in the lower gears.
My thought was to take an existing motorbike I had with a dodgy engine, scoops the 'bangy' bits out leaving the gearbox and stick an electric motor and batteries in, connected to the clutch.
Idea was for commuting with a total distance of 13-20 miles a day, so wouldn't need a massive amount of batteries.
From asking around various places, seems the idea did have some merit.
Incidentally, the endless sphere forum is probably the best resource for converting and making electric vehicles.
I regularly ride an electric push bike around.
For fairly short local journeys it's an excellent choice for a lot of reasons.
I can see a lightweight car with a short range offering similar for those that prefer 4 wheels.
However at the moment prices are such that it's certainly not going to be saving a massive amount if at all when compared to a small old hatchback with 0 depreciation and reasonable fuel economy. Especially when they're still trying to get a decent range out of them - and thus costing rather a lot in batteries.
Less sure about an electric Morgan - but I'm not sure how far the average morgan is driven. However got the impression that when they are driven, it's often for a full day out around the highlands or whatever (never mind Europe), rather than a quick blat to the cafe down the road to show it off.
My thought was to take an existing motorbike I had with a dodgy engine, scoops the 'bangy' bits out leaving the gearbox and stick an electric motor and batteries in, connected to the clutch.
Idea was for commuting with a total distance of 13-20 miles a day, so wouldn't need a massive amount of batteries.
From asking around various places, seems the idea did have some merit.
Incidentally, the endless sphere forum is probably the best resource for converting and making electric vehicles.
I regularly ride an electric push bike around.
For fairly short local journeys it's an excellent choice for a lot of reasons.
I can see a lightweight car with a short range offering similar for those that prefer 4 wheels.
However at the moment prices are such that it's certainly not going to be saving a massive amount if at all when compared to a small old hatchback with 0 depreciation and reasonable fuel economy. Especially when they're still trying to get a decent range out of them - and thus costing rather a lot in batteries.
Less sure about an electric Morgan - but I'm not sure how far the average morgan is driven. However got the impression that when they are driven, it's often for a full day out around the highlands or whatever (never mind Europe), rather than a quick blat to the cafe down the road to show it off.
Edited by _g_ on Tuesday 14th February 13:27
However at the moment prices are such that it's certainly not going to be saving a massive amount if at all when compared to a small old hatchback with 0 depreciation and reasonable fuel economy. Especially when they're still trying to get a decent range out of them - and thus costing rather a lot in batteries.
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You are right. You might save a couple of grand in fuel per year. Take away the cost of electricity and add any potential savings on servicing and road tax and it won't be significant. Even once the conversion to electric motor etc. is paid for, say in five to ten years, the batteries would be nearing the end of their life and once again need a substantial investment.
To me it only makes sense if the vehicle is a commuter AND a great weekend toy - something that exploits high torque and a low centre of gravity. And that's a big ask for someone, who like most PHers loves a good engine note. I have a build in mind but for now, I can't see any change from £10K to make it a reality, which means I'm happy to let someone else pioneer this until battery tech improves significantly or a cheap hydrogen fuel cell comes along.
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You are right. You might save a couple of grand in fuel per year. Take away the cost of electricity and add any potential savings on servicing and road tax and it won't be significant. Even once the conversion to electric motor etc. is paid for, say in five to ten years, the batteries would be nearing the end of their life and once again need a substantial investment.
To me it only makes sense if the vehicle is a commuter AND a great weekend toy - something that exploits high torque and a low centre of gravity. And that's a big ask for someone, who like most PHers loves a good engine note. I have a build in mind but for now, I can't see any change from £10K to make it a reality, which means I'm happy to let someone else pioneer this until battery tech improves significantly or a cheap hydrogen fuel cell comes along.
cptsideways said:
An interesting concept all be it a very simple one, would love to try it out. I've driven a Tesla which was simply amazing, but a cogbox would make it more fun I think.
I wonder if you can buy a retrofit electric motor that'll go in a caterseven???
Take a look at the D1g1tal Dr1ve http://www.d1g1taldr1ve.com/d1-tech-specs/ It's small, light, tons of torque and everything bar batteries built in, including the differential. Plus it has racing pedigree! I wonder if you can buy a retrofit electric motor that'll go in a caterseven???
+ another one.MrTappets said:
I'm sure a lot of people will laugh at me for this but I'm seriously considering promoting Morgan to 'Favourite Car Maker' status.
Well done to Chas and Co. Kind of the opposite transmission story than that for the 911 GT3. Is it time for a learned blog from Messrs Trent, Riggers, Garlick and Harris about transmissions?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff