RE: PDK-only for next Porsche 911 GT3?
Discussion
A driver focused car should always be manual.
I have an R8, and chose the manual over the Trip-Tronic because as it's a weekend car only (much like almost all GT3's) I want to be involved in changing gear. If I get it wrong? It's my fault. If I get it just right on that downshift...... I did that. Not some bl00dy computer.
I have an R8, and chose the manual over the Trip-Tronic because as it's a weekend car only (much like almost all GT3's) I want to be involved in changing gear. If I get it wrong? It's my fault. If I get it just right on that downshift...... I did that. Not some bl00dy computer.
wab172uk said:
A driver focused car should always be manual.
I have an R8, and chose the manual over the Trip-Tronic because as it's a weekend car only (much like almost all GT3's) I want to be involved in changing gear. If I get it wrong? It's my fault. If I get it just right on that downshift...... I did that. Not some bl00dy computer.
can you get a manual fezza now?I have an R8, and chose the manual over the Trip-Tronic because as it's a weekend car only (much like almost all GT3's) I want to be involved in changing gear. If I get it wrong? It's my fault. If I get it just right on that downshift...... I did that. Not some bl00dy computer.
This would be a real shame, and I'd most likely remove my note of interest in it.
When i bought my F430 i found i really missed the manual shift of my previous car. The f1 shift may be able to make me seem slow witted, but a manual gear change is yet another connection with the car that requires skill, and engages the driver.
No matter how good the paddle shift, I'll never prefer it for this "type" of car.
In my usual daily run-about it does have a place, but not my weekend toy.
My current Gt3 has a heavy clutch, a notchy gear change, but its fantastic to use, and to me is a big part of "learning" the car, especially on track. I love it dearly. Its not easy to drive - it takes learning - this for me adds character and longevity.
I dislike the Turbo because its gear change and clutch are just the like Carreras. Light and floppy, and your Mum could make a decent fist of engaging 500bhp! Steering is okay, but it feels like an everyday car, as opposed to something special.
Everything you interact with in the GT3 is different, from the steering, power delivery, clutch, gear change - all key attributes for keen driver and why I bought a Gt3 instead of any other model.
Doubt the Gt3 needs the new 7 speed either tbh.
Please Porsche dont even think about pdk...................
When i bought my F430 i found i really missed the manual shift of my previous car. The f1 shift may be able to make me seem slow witted, but a manual gear change is yet another connection with the car that requires skill, and engages the driver.
No matter how good the paddle shift, I'll never prefer it for this "type" of car.
In my usual daily run-about it does have a place, but not my weekend toy.
My current Gt3 has a heavy clutch, a notchy gear change, but its fantastic to use, and to me is a big part of "learning" the car, especially on track. I love it dearly. Its not easy to drive - it takes learning - this for me adds character and longevity.
I dislike the Turbo because its gear change and clutch are just the like Carreras. Light and floppy, and your Mum could make a decent fist of engaging 500bhp! Steering is okay, but it feels like an everyday car, as opposed to something special.
Everything you interact with in the GT3 is different, from the steering, power delivery, clutch, gear change - all key attributes for keen driver and why I bought a Gt3 instead of any other model.
Doubt the Gt3 needs the new 7 speed either tbh.
Please Porsche dont even think about pdk...................
Edited by GordonF430 on Tuesday 14th February 12:48
Wanta996Gotta said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
can you get a manual fezza now?
Exactly, i think some posters have been living on a different planet recently. All the new high performance cars ARE paddle shift autos ONLY. Mclaren MP12/Aventador/458/Veyron/GTR etc,etc. Manual stick shift is a thing of the past.
For me, I'd take the manual, but that said I can see the argument for PDK.
GordonF430 said:
This would be a real shame, and I'd most likely remove my note of interest in it.
When i bought my F430 i found i really missed the manual shift of my previous car. The f1 shift may be able to make me seem slow witted, but a manual gear change is yet another connection with the car that requires skill, and engages the driver.
I purchased a red Sansa Clip Zip along with a pair of red SoundMagic E10's from your site. You can return the favor by lending me your Fezza When i bought my F430 i found i really missed the manual shift of my previous car. The f1 shift may be able to make me seem slow witted, but a manual gear change is yet another connection with the car that requires skill, and engages the driver.
I confess I have only been in one car with a robot shift, and that was only as a passenger in a Lamborghini Murcielago, but my overriding sense of it violently banging the gears in with no finesse was "Jesus! That's harsh!"
If it had been a manual and the driver was slamming them in with that amount of violence I'd have thought he couldn't drive and had no mechanical sympathy.
There's something immensely satisfying with achieving a smooth manual gearchange with no help from computers or robots, and I for one think it will be a shame when the proper manual gearbox is relegated to the same place in history as starting handles, carburettors and manual chokes.
And, yes, I did mean "when" and not "if" because I can see it coming. Maybe not just yet, but the writing is on the wall.
If it had been a manual and the driver was slamming them in with that amount of violence I'd have thought he couldn't drive and had no mechanical sympathy.
There's something immensely satisfying with achieving a smooth manual gearchange with no help from computers or robots, and I for one think it will be a shame when the proper manual gearbox is relegated to the same place in history as starting handles, carburettors and manual chokes.
And, yes, I did mean "when" and not "if" because I can see it coming. Maybe not just yet, but the writing is on the wall.
It seams a shame to me because a good manual is always good no matter how old, but even the best automatics soon become out of date and they seam to age the car more than you would expect.
I’ve never driven one but would an e46 M3 CSL be better now if they were manual?
My thinking is that you are putting a use by date on performace cars like this when you add this type of gear box, with a manual you would have no such trouble.
If nothing else if the new GT3 and RS go PDK the older ones will only go up in value, which is a pain in the arse because I don’t have one!
I’ve never driven one but would an e46 M3 CSL be better now if they were manual?
My thinking is that you are putting a use by date on performace cars like this when you add this type of gear box, with a manual you would have no such trouble.
If nothing else if the new GT3 and RS go PDK the older ones will only go up in value, which is a pain in the arse because I don’t have one!
Im sure with all the engineers in the world that someone somewhere would eventually get round to designing a three stage unit gear box, allowing manual paddle auto changes, after all porsche should be up there for something like that as PDK is a manual gearbox after all, just with some fancy electronics.
That would be perfection
That would be perfection
Wanta996Gotta said:
Exactly, i think some posters have been living on a different planet recently. All the new high performance cars ARE paddle shift autos ONLY. Mclaren MP12/Aventador/458/Veyron/GTR etc,etc.
Manual stick shift is a thing of the past.
Heretic!! Burn him, burn him!Manual stick shift is a thing of the past.
I'm sorry, but this REALLY f***s me off. Just because every other manufacturer is doing it doesnt make it right. Ultimately the issue is that most 'car enthusiasts' have fek all idea and just want the latest/fastest/most fashionable sports car. Good luck to them, keep buying Ferraris. Porsche is the last bastion of proper drivers cars and when they disappear down the populist fekwit track, then its a sad day.
PDK is no doubt quicker and therefore in most people's eyes 'better', but that just misses the point.
ARRRGGGHHHHHH!....how to ruin a Tuesday. What a complete absolute load of utter bilge.
Garlick said:
Trouble is, the 911 gearbox is such a joy to use that I don't want a PDK. If the change was awfully heavy or notchy then maybe, but it's a peach of a gearbox.
Also, with all the £££ invested in this:
It would seem odd to omit it from the more performance orientated cars.
Sorry, but that just makes me think of Bruce Almighty!Also, with all the £££ invested in this:
It would seem odd to omit it from the more performance orientated cars.
The reason most companies are moving away from manual shifts is not because it's better but because it's easier , ferraris and lambo's are no longer just supercars but they also have to be easy to handle luxury cruisers for dimwitted Hollywood stars an carpet warehouse owners to pose in
Thats why I'm recent years purists have turned to the gt3
Thats why I'm recent years purists have turned to the gt3
Garlick said:
Trouble is, the 911 gearbox is such a joy to use that I don't want a PDK. If the change was awfully heavy or notchy then maybe, but it's a peach of a gearbox.
Just been out for a lunch time blatt, the gearbox is superb esp with the short shift kit, wonderfully postive with just the right amount of mechanical resistance, 2nd to 3rd like a well oiled rifle bolt.A gearbox like this connects you to the car no matter what the speed.
My guess would be no problem to Porsche selling them, but those buying them 2nd/3rd hand as a cheap 'driving' car, simply won't buy them as much.
Ergo residuals suffer, and thus people don't bother buying them new anyway.
Manufacturers should consider the owners down the line, because what they might want does dictate residual performance, and that dictates buyers when new.
Ie, I would buy a manual GT3, but I wouldn't bother at all with a PDK one.
Ergo residuals suffer, and thus people don't bother buying them new anyway.
Manufacturers should consider the owners down the line, because what they might want does dictate residual performance, and that dictates buyers when new.
Ie, I would buy a manual GT3, but I wouldn't bother at all with a PDK one.
Hellbound said:
TinyCappo said:
PDK- Pedestrian Death Kill....
PDK = Purists Death Knell as for those who say the GT3 is the last bastion of a pure driving experience, well, they've had active damper management on the 997 GT3 for sometime now
I'd be willing to bet that the 991 GT3 will be PDK only when it's released
I think the PDK is the way to go. For normal drivers, it is the fastestand has less room for error via botched downshifts or over-revs. For the minority out there that are driving gods, this rule does not apply. But more importantly, I don't think you would enjoy it any less on the track. On normal roads, the current car is already way too fast and way too grippy for ultimate involvement anyway.
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