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nsi

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315 posts

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E38Ross said:
not sure on the E46 M3 on the motorway but rumour was the new V8 M3 is very nearly almost as economical as the old straight 6, and my dad averages 19mpg in that, admittedly with more town than you're going to be doing and he does drive it as intended every now and again so i'd say 25mpg overall from the straight 6 M3 is doing more motorway miles would be a reasonable expectation.

you should get a tad more than 37mpg on a run in a 730d too if sticking to the legal limit. i'd have thought low 40's
25 as an average on the M3 would be do-able, but I couldn't afford to do that on the motorway, where I think I'd need more like 30 really. I'll see if anyone else has some input on that too.

If I drive at 70mph I do get low 40's from the 730d, but in normal driving I tend to keep pace with lane 3.


[Quick bit of maths, thinking aloud here, assuming 20k miles PA using petrol at 135p/l. At 35mpg it'll cost £3,500. At 30mpg it'll cost £4,100. At 25mpg it'll cost £4,900. Or using diesel at 35mpg and 145p it'll cost £3,800. Which is why 30mpg in a petrol is not much difference to 35mpg in a diesel, in total cost. Plus no turbo or DPF on the petrols. Between my 7er at £3,800 and a petrol at 25mpg (worst case?) at £4,900 that's about £90 per month extra in fuel, which is do-able.]

E38Ross

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i hate to say it but by the sounds of it i think the best option would be the 330. if you're going to be "just about OK" with the extra fuel bills of the M3, it's probably unlikely you would be OK with the added costs of repairs and consumables....

nsi

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E38Ross said:
i hate to say it but by the sounds of it i think the best option would be the 330. if you're going to be "just about OK" with the extra fuel bills of the M3, it's probably unlikely you would be OK with the added costs of repairs and consumables....
When did I say that? Of course I'm a powerfully built goatee wearer, so it's all affordable. If I've come across as "on the back foot" about the extra costs then I guess it's a question of "value" and also having to justify it to my wife! I know the 330Ci will be cheaper to run than an M3 - I'm trying to learn about the difference between all the cars so I can make a value judgement, apologies if it came across differently. smile

E38Ross

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96 months

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nsi said:
E38Ross said:
i hate to say it but by the sounds of it i think the best option would be the 330. if you're going to be "just about OK" with the extra fuel bills of the M3, it's probably unlikely you would be OK with the added costs of repairs and consumables....
When did I say that? Of course I'm a powerfully built goatee wearer, so it's all affordable. If I've come across as "on the back foot" about the extra costs then I guess it's a question of "value" and also having to justify it to my wife! I know the 330Ci will be cheaper to run than an M3 - I'm trying to learn about the difference between all the cars so I can make a value judgement, apologies if it came across differently. smile
ah fair enough, it's just how it sounded. apologies thumbup

is there any possibility you could wait, save a bit more and get a better example of an M3? that's what i'd try to do....but then it's a question of how long do you wait etc

nsi

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315 posts

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E38Ross said:
ah fair enough, it's just how it sounded. apologies thumbup

is there any possibility you could wait, save a bit more and get a better example of an M3? that's what i'd try to do....but then it's a question of how long do you wait etc
No worries. smile

How much do you think I need to be spending to get a "good" E46 M3?
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nottyash

4,194 posts

79 months

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nsi said:
E38Ross said:
ah fair enough, it's just how it sounded. apologies thumbup

is there any possibility you could wait, save a bit more and get a better example of an M3? that's what i'd try to do....but then it's a question of how long do you wait etc
No worries. smile

How much do you think I need to be spending to get a "good" E46 M3?
Mine is up at £8500 and its a good one thats had a lot of work done,FSH and 75000 miles on a 2003 car.
I had an inspection 1, new clutch, Front continental M3 tyres and Einbach springs costing just short of £2000 recently. 11000 till next service. It sold within 3 days when I put it on, but fell through when the buyers house sale fell through, so I kept the deposit and its back up.

You can buy them for about £6500 but I would say good ones can be had for under £9000. You see plenty up for sale that are over priced, but they stay for sale ages before sellers drop the prices.

E38Ross

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96 months

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nottyash said:
nsi said:
E38Ross said:
ah fair enough, it's just how it sounded. apologies thumbup

is there any possibility you could wait, save a bit more and get a better example of an M3? that's what i'd try to do....but then it's a question of how long do you wait etc
No worries. smile

How much do you think I need to be spending to get a "good" E46 M3?
Mine is up at £8500 and its a good one thats had a lot of work done,FSH and 75000 miles on a 2003 car.
I had an inspection 1, new clutch, Front continental M3 tyres and Einbach springs costing just short of £2000 recently. 11000 till next service. It sold within 3 days when I put it on, but fell through when the buyers house sale fell through, so I kept the deposit and its back up.

You can buy them for about £6500 but I would say good ones can be had for under £9000. You see plenty up for sale that are over priced, but they stay for sale ages before sellers drop the prices.
there you are NSI....take it!

nottyash

4,194 posts

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E38Ross said:
nottyash said:
nsi said:
E38Ross said:
ah fair enough, it's just how it sounded. apologies thumbup

is there any possibility you could wait, save a bit more and get a better example of an M3? that's what i'd try to do....but then it's a question of how long do you wait etc
No worries. smile

How much do you think I need to be spending to get a "good" E46 M3?
Mine is up at £8500 and its a good one thats had a lot of work done,FSH and 75000 miles on a 2003 car.
I had an inspection 1, new clutch, Front continental M3 tyres and Einbach springs costing just short of £2000 recently. 11000 till next service. It sold within 3 days when I put it on, but fell through when the buyers house sale fell through, so I kept the deposit and its back up.

You can buy them for about £6500 but I would say good ones can be had for under £9000. You see plenty up for sale that are over priced, but they stay for sale ages before sellers drop the prices.
there you are NSI....take it!
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Blair357ci

1,084 posts

92 months

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You have the M3 itch so you'll regret not scratching it, if sense came into it you'd have a 330d I've had 2 & recently drove 330i & I'd be bored of its lack of performance & torque in a week.

nsi

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315 posts

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nottyash said:
hehe
I know you're not supposed to put ads in the forum, but can you give me a hint where I can view your ad?
Blair357ci said:
You have the M3 itch so you'll regret not scratching it, if sense came into it you'd have a 330d I've had 2 & recently drove 330i & I'd be bored of its lack of performance & torque in a week.
That's what I'm starting to feel like. I did have an E46 330d before the 7er, but I wrote it off a few months ago and bought the 7 as a replacement and regret it now because it doesn't suit me. Having had an E46 before I know they are nice cars to drive and enjoyed the 330d, wouldn't have changed but for the crash. But now the opportunity has come up to change again I know I definitely want a petrol - it's just a case of how extreme(!)

I've managed to convince the wife (and myself!) that the running costs of the M3 will be a bit more than the 730d, but certainly manageable. Her current concern is that the M3's in budget seen to be 2002-2003 era, but the 330Ci's are more like 2005 era. Doesn't bother me, but bothers her!

nsi

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nottyash said:
You see plenty up for sale that are over priced, but they stay for sale ages before sellers drop the prices.
Lol, yeah feels like that! I was looking at M3Cutters this afternoon and there were some 2001 cars with 90k for over £10k!

Sidewindow

228 posts

107 months

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Mine might be in the classifieds at £9,750 with 49k miles.. wink

Edited by Sidewindow on Sunday 19th February 18:00

nottyash

4,194 posts

79 months

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nsi said:
nottyash said:
hehe
I know you're not supposed to put ads in the forum, but can you give me a hint where I can view your ad?quote]

Its on the Pistonheads classified, and M3 cutters. 2003 Imola Red in colour.

nottyash

4,194 posts

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nsi said:
nottyash said:
You see plenty up for sale that are over priced, but they stay for sale ages before sellers drop the prices.
Lol, yeah feels like that! I was looking at M3Cutters this afternoon and there were some 2001 cars with 90k for over £10k!
Yes, very true. Give it a week and they tumble down to a realistic £7000.

nsi

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315 posts

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Cheers for all your advice chaps. You've reassured me that whilst there will be a difference in the running costs, it's not what I'd consider a deal breaker, so I'm fairly sure at this point that I'll want to get the M3. It's now a case of finding a buyer for my 7 and finding the right M3 to buy. Cheers again biggrin

PS - any advice on selling the 7 or buying/choosing an M3 will be appreciated!! smile

gaz1234

4,121 posts

103 months

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M3 will make you smile every time u drive it. the 330 is a tad boring.

Baz Tench

3,709 posts

74 months

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Post up your question in the M cars section. You'll get some proper beardy advice there. wink

ETA: I was speaking to someone yesterday about his e46 M3. He advised me to go for the manual as his was SMGII and it broke (don't know the exact details). He was quoted about £4500 to get it fixed (I presume by BMW). He couldn't afford it and had to sell it as it was.

He was gutted about it though, that was obvious. He misses that car!

Edited by Baz Tench on Sunday 19th February 22:09


Edited by Baz Tench on Sunday 19th February 22:09

nsi

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Baz Tench said:
Post up your question in the M cars section. You'll get some proper beardy advice there. wink

ETA: I was speaking to someone yesterday about his e46 M3. He advised me to go for the manual as his was SMGII and it broke (don't know the exact details). He was quoted about £4500 to get it fixed (I presume by BMW). He couldn't afford it and had to sell it as it was.

He was gutted about it though, that was obvious. He misses that car!

Edited by Baz Tench on Sunday 19th February 22:09


Edited by Baz Tench on Sunday 19th February 22:09
I know I want a Coupé not a Convertible, but the "Manual vs SMG" gearbox will be my next decision. I've done a bit of reading today about these cars in general and I could have sworn that I'd seen comments along the lines of "that SMG is very reliable". Maybe your friend was just unlucky? I certainly can't be doing with a £4.5k bill for a new gearbox I'd like to hear more about their reputation.

Anyone have insights, not only on reliability, but also in terms of driving: which is best?

Tonberry

1,537 posts

76 months

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An M3 will cost far more to run than a 330, no doubt about it.

Have a look at some other members garages where they detail running costs.

Onedesi

54 posts

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I used to run a mint evo convertible (v plate with 50k on it until some kind soul drove into the back of me frown) and on the motorway I'd get around 30mpg.

I couldn't find another so I went through the same debate as you over the E46 M3 or 330 and I went for the 330 in the end as the running costs (insurance/parts/service) were at least double. Funnily enough petrol wasn't a big consideration as the 330 auto I have does about 21mpg round town and 32 on a run which is similar to an M3.

Ultimately though the 330 is not an M are and I know it sounds like badg snobbery but I do miss the M badge even though the 330 is the easier car to live with.

The other consideration for me was the E46 was face lifted in 2003 and the M3 never got the full facelift so it never quit looked right for me, the facelift E46 just looks better to my eyes.

Good luck with whatever you do.
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