RE: Tell me I'm wrong: BMW M5
Discussion
Zod said:
OK research tells me that it is the sound of an M5 engine at the same rev level as the engine's current rev level. That's like me sitting at my desk with an array of recordings of myself saying everything I could conceivable ever need to say on the phone and pressing a button to play the recording rather than say it myself. If the reproduction was perfect, you might never know the difference, but what's the point?
That's not how Active Sound Design works in the M5. It's not the sound of an M5 engine, it is an entirely computer-generated noise played through the speakers in an attempt to approximate the noise an M5 should be making. If you spent a lot of money on an opera ticket, you'd have every right to be upset when you realised the soloist was lip-syncing to some Bontempi app on an iPhone. Ridiculous to go to great efforts to reduce engine and exhaust noise inside the car, and then pipe-in the noise from a Pole Position arcade machine to make it louder again.
Fake engine noise seems to me to be the antithesis of what the M division should be about, it's a deal-breaker and suggests that BMW now have an entirely different idea about what an M-car should be.
NomduJour said:
Zod said:
OK research tells me that it is the sound of an M5 engine at the same rev level as the engine's current rev level. That's like me sitting at my desk with an array of recordings of myself saying everything I could conceivable ever need to say on the phone and pressing a button to play the recording rather than say it myself. If the reproduction was perfect, you might never know the difference, but what's the point?
That's not how Active Sound Design works in the M5. It's not the sound of an M5 engine, it is an entirely computer-generated noise played through the speakers in an attempt to approximate the noise an M5 should be making. If you spent a lot of money on an opera ticket, you'd have every right to be upset when you realised the soloist was lip-syncing to some Bontempi app on an iPhone. Ridiculous to go to great efforts to reduce engine and exhaust noise inside the car, and then pipe-in the noise from a Pole Position arcade machine to make it louder again.
Fake engine noise seems to me to be the antithesis of what the M division should be about, it's a deal-breaker and suggests that BMW now have an entirely different idea about what an M-car should be.
NomduJour said:
Ridiculous to go to great efforts to reduce engine and exhaust noise inside the car, and then pipe-in the noise from a Pole Position arcade machine to make it louder again.
Zod said:
NomduJour said:
Zod said:
OK research tells me that it is the sound of an M5 engine at the same rev level as the engine's current rev level. That's like me sitting at my desk with an array of recordings of myself saying everything I could conceivable ever need to say on the phone and pressing a button to play the recording rather than say it myself. If the reproduction was perfect, you might never know the difference, but what's the point?
That's not how Active Sound Design works in the M5. It's not the sound of an M5 engine, it is an entirely computer-generated noise played through the speakers in an attempt to approximate the noise an M5 should be making. If you spent a lot of money on an opera ticket, you'd have every right to be upset when you realised the soloist was lip-syncing to some Bontempi app on an iPhone. Ridiculous to go to great efforts to reduce engine and exhaust noise inside the car, and then pipe-in the noise from a Pole Position arcade machine to make it louder again.
Fake engine noise seems to me to be the antithesis of what the M division should be about, it's a deal-breaker and suggests that BMW now have an entirely different idea about what an M-car should be.
It's not a traditional V8 sound but it has a quality all of its own, which actually makes it more unique compared to the ubiquitous AMG sound. It's a very 'technical' sound.
Its generally a suprisingly loud thing with the exhaust valves open, the cold start cycle in the mornings sounds amazing. Opening the sunroof helps drastically in hearing it running about, especially in tunnels.
Zod said:
Whatever it is, saying it's a deal breaker is stupid. You can't write off a great engine and powertrain in a good chassis because of faked noise.
If you were inadequate in the bedroom, you could probably train your wife to make roughly the right noises at roughly the right time. You'd still know it was fake though.-Z- said:
As somebody who has one: you can't tell
It definitely sounds fake, even in videos - M135 similarly. External exhaust noise is a different thing. Surely one of the reasons it has failed to capture the imagination of buyers, good car on balance or not - I'm sure BMW would prefer not to have to chop them out on the never-never at £500 p/m.
k, it can be turned off though and if it is a deal-breaker then I'd question the buyer more than the car.goldblum said:
Thanks. But how does it outgun the 2014 E63? M5/E63AMG 560/557 bhp, 501/531 lbs/ft, 4.4/3.6 ? AMG is quicker.
Is it?http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...
Patrick Bateman said:
goldblum said:
Thanks. But how does it outgun the 2014 E63? M5/E63AMG 560/557 bhp, 501/531 lbs/ft, 4.4/3.6 ? AMG is quicker.
Is it?http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...
Patrick Bateman said:
Specs for M6 say slower on paper than the AMG, obviously. I reckon that M6 must have easily in excess of 600bhp. The AMG 4 matic is quicker though. M6 (in the clip, anyway) 0-100 = 8.2, E63 4matic = 8.00.goldblum said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Specs for M6 say slower on paper than the AMG, obviously. I reckon that M6 must have easily in excess of 600bhp. The AMG 4 matic is quicker though. M6 (in the clip, anyway) 0-100 = 8.2, E63 4matic = 8.00.Andy M said:
Patrick Bateman said:
goldblum said:
Thanks. But how does it outgun the 2014 E63? M5/E63AMG 560/557 bhp, 501/531 lbs/ft, 4.4/3.6 ? AMG is quicker.
Is it?http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...
Motortrend: 2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S vs. BMW M5 Competition Pack. AMG is faster.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1311_20...
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1311_20...
Zod said:
goldblum said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Specs for M6 say slower on paper than the AMG, obviously. I reckon that M6 must have easily in excess of 600bhp. The AMG 4 matic is quicker though. M6 (in the clip, anyway) 0-100 = 8.2, E63 4matic = 8.00.goldblum said:
Zod said:
goldblum said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Specs for M6 say slower on paper than the AMG, obviously. I reckon that M6 must have easily in excess of 600bhp. The AMG 4 matic is quicker though. M6 (in the clip, anyway) 0-100 = 8.2, E63 4matic = 8.00.Zod said:
goldblum said:
Zod said:
goldblum said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Specs for M6 say slower on paper than the AMG, obviously. I reckon that M6 must have easily in excess of 600bhp. The AMG 4 matic is quicker though. M6 (in the clip, anyway) 0-100 = 8.2, E63 4matic = 8.00.
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