RE: PH Blog: Porsche 964 RS

[ravon]

jfp said:

Strange driving.

I'd say a bit of "hitting the keyboard before engaging brain" in operation here. Joe911 has many years racing experience in the very tough and increasingly "pro-driver" VLN Series on the old Nurburgring, in one of the hardest to drive cars, a 997 Cup which enjoys very little downforce compared to other rivals due to it's "Cup Spec". He's picked up numerous trophies for top three class finishes and even managed an amazing eighth overall ( at his first attempt ) in the Nurburgring 24 Hour Race.

[Dan Trent]

Slippydiff said:

Ah yes, K & N, those well known purveyors of high quality aftermarket dampers. . . . . .

If Clarkson saw this he'd demand "the author of this piece be taken outside and executed"

Come on chaps, make an effort

What kind of idiot would make a slip of the keys like that? Honestly! Oh...

Amended. Riggers will administer the coup de grace when he arrives. Job advert to follow shortly.

Just as well it's early and nobody else was about in the office to hear my reaction to realising the cock-up. Wasn't pretty.

[PascalBuyens]

The Pits said:

anyone care to explain, preferably the author himself, how tricky handling is usually considered a negative when applied to a Ferrari 348, Renault Clio V6 and so on, but when it applies to a 911 it becomes a positive.

it's entirely relevant to the article.

I'd be interested to see an intelligent answer if there was one.

I guess part of the tricky handling becoming positive, depends on your own opinion about driving.

With my Elise, I preferred having it on 15/16 inch wheels, compared to the 16/17" of the Exige, which, admitted, made it a lot easier to drive fast, but the fun of "fighting" it on the limit was totally gone.

Same for the Tuscan (or any other "tricky" interesting car for that matter), it is just so much fun trying to keep it at the limit, and having that "yes, I did it" feeling afterwards. If that makes sense :-)

[JMF894]

PascalBuyens said:

I guess part of the tricky handling becoming positive, depends on your own opinion about driving.

With my Elise, I preferred having it on 15/16 inch wheels, compared to the 16/17" of the Exige, which, admitted, made it a lot easier to drive fast, but the fun of "fighting" it on the limit was totally gone.

Same for the Tuscan (or any other "tricky" interesting car for that matter), it is just so much fun trying to keep it at the limit, and having that "yes, I did it" feeling afterwards. If that makes sense :-)

It makes complete sense chap, but only to those who have been committed enough to own a car that falls into this category

[p1doc]

superb-dream come true you are so lucky!
martin

[sootyrumble]

Dan Trent said:

gmh23 said:

Bunch of hypocritical barstewards, the last porsche on aftermarket suspension and wheels got a right slagging off the PH staff

LMAO i was thinking exactly the same thing as GMH23 but didn't say anything, due to not wanting the owner of that stunning RS thinking i was making a point to denigrate his car.

Personally i want to meet the owner shake his hand, dribble on thebonnet and then consider forcibly getting my tax money back from the local RBS branch and buying one lol.

I also notice the deep dish wheels and stretched tyres right up in the arches (i am awaiting the character who kept saying the line were all wrong Ober something or other to have a pop here too but i am sure he won't).

[Pugsey]

PascalBuyens said:

The Pits said:

anyone care to explain, preferably the author himself, how tricky handling is usually considered a negative when applied to a Ferrari 348, Renault Clio V6 and so on, but when it applies to a 911 it becomes a positive.

it's entirely relevant to the article.

I'd be interested to see an intelligent answer if there was one.

I guess part of the tricky handling becoming positive, depends on your own opinion about driving.

With my Elise, I preferred having it on 15/16 inch wheels, compared to the 16/17" of the Exige, which, admitted, made it a lot easier to drive fast, but the fun of "fighting" it on the limit was totally gone.

Same for the Tuscan (or any other "tricky" interesting car for that matter), it is just so much fun trying to keep it at the limit, and having that "yes, I did it" feeling afterwards. If that makes sense :-)

A few, on/over the limit laps of Brands GP circuit - including getting back to the paddock in one piece - cemented the ClioV6 MK1 as one of my all time favourite FUN cars of all time bar none. Complete rubbish in so many ways but still, to me, a 'great' car. Of course I also remember doing a complete 360 on the standing water (at very modest speed) at 2am on the M3 one dark and stormy night.................

Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 22 February 09:55

[Dale Lomas]

Great read, but you're going to have to 'MAN UP' to enjoy some of these proper driver's cars, Trent!

[stew-S160]

I'm no porker fan, but I'd love an 964RS.

[Oddball RS]

The Pits said:

Dan?

.....Dan!

.....Dan?!

......Dan!!!!


......DAN, DAN, DAN, Dan.......


DAN.........

DAN....!!!


No he can't have heard me..................



Great sketch.

[jamesghwilson]

Dan Trent said:

marmite monster said:

Scho said:

Worst track footage ever?

yep

Agreed, and it was me what filmed it!

Excuses? I was in a helluva rush, there was rainwater pouring down my back as I was installing the camera and, er, yeah. Sorry. But I included it because, as said in the piece, it shows a bit of the noise and general mayhem. To be honest a forward facing camera wouldn't have done you much good either!

If I ever have trouble sleeping, I now know of the perfect 3 minute and 6 second video clip that will sort me out. But great article, pictures and a hell of a car!

[g00chy]

maybe for vid footage try a decent android camera,torque app(free) and a bluetooth OBDII (£15)widget

couldnt ask for more!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vj0IWDCsI&fea...

oh and that would be more useful i supose for post 2001 cars

Edited by g00chy on Wednesday 22 February 10:41

[Captain Muppet]

Did Toyo pay for all the 888 references, or was it just padding?

[Joe911]

Captain Muppet said:

Did Toyo pay for all the 888 references, or was it just padding?

I can't see why they would pay for references describing and demonstrating them as so challenging in the wet - also, of course, 888's in the correct sizes are virtually unobtainium and have been for 18 months.
Perhaps they are looking to target the drifting scene

[pagani1]

Old Fart here.
My lowered 964 gave me a good approximation of an RS, wonderful on track and on GOOD roads, it didn't like potholes so a fast max attack road journey around the South Downs and obeying village speed restrictions scrupulously, needed being in 20/20 mode especially for oncoming road surfaces-otherwise heaven, heaven, heaven.

[Captain Muppet]

Joe911 said:

Captain Muppet said:

Did Toyo pay for all the 888 references, or was it just padding?

I can't see why they would pay for references describing and demonstrating them as so challenging in the wet - also, of course, 888's in the correct sizes are virtually unobtainium and have been for 18 months.
Perhaps they are looking to target the drifting scene

So you think it was just padding then? Seemed lazy to me.

Off topic, but 888s and that sort of tyre are already used in drifting.

[The Pits]

Pugsey said:

A few, on/over the limit laps of Brands GP circuit - including getting back to the paddock in one piece - cemented the ClioV6 MK1 as one of my all time favourite FUN cars of all time bar none. Complete rubbish in so many ways but still, to me, a 'great' car. Of course I also remember doing a complete 360 on the standing water (at very modest speed) at 2am on the M3 one dark and stormy night.................

Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 22 February 09:55

Well at least there's some consistency here. If you like the challenge of driving a tricky car then it makes sense that you enjoy all tricky handling cars.

The bit I don't get is that most 911 drivers wouldn't go near a Mk1 Tuscan with a barge pole on the grounds that it's 'edgy' or 'twitchy'. Surely a 'challenge' is a challenge. What's so special about the 911s tricky handling?

Dan?

DAN!



(glad somebody got that!)



Can't believe Ravon resisted the opportunity to swing a handbag at me? Are you alright old chap?

[pagani1]

Heavens door. This was the car of my dreams -and then they came true. Stunning manners and build quality, lowered adjustable suspension.

[Dan Trent]

To be fair the RS's handling isn't tricky per se; committing to driving it at maximum attack simply demands a tad more skill and accuracy with the controls than you'd need in some other cars, newer GT3-style 911s included.

So it's a question of, as Dale put it, being man enough to drive it as intended. Rather than any shortcomings with the car.

Julian's car has huge turn-in bite, great poise and grip, fabulous traction out of the corner and, when you so desire, is very controllable on the throttle too. You just need to be absolutely 100% sure you're going to nail that braking point and downshift perfectly to be able to exploit that. Because there'll be consequences if you don't. And that's where it demands of you as a driver. And why it's so fabulous when you do get it right. It's all there for you, you just have to be up to the job!

And for the wet just magnify all of the above by a factor of 10!

[Dan Trent]

Warm 888s fine in the damp too. Less so in the big puddles I encountered later on in the day.