RE: Ferrari's 599 successor sneak preview
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myhandle said:
knowing that there is a ton more power available if the situation should arrive
Which situation on normal roads? I drive quite a lot on German Autobahns with a fairly normal Audi A4 3.0 TDI and I can't drive more than 200km/h for more than lest say 5 minutes, there is always traffic even on Sundays morning.The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
B10 said:
I do wish that they would get rid of those naff huge Ferrari shields on the wings. Especially those added have been added by owners as an after market bit of bling. Rant over.
+1 The shields used to appear only on the race-type road car specials. 288GTO, F40, F50. More recently the Enzo, and the track-type cars the 360 CS and the 430 Scuderia and 16M. Also the 599 GTO, and the limited run 550 Barchetta Pininfarina. I am OK with all of this I suppose as none of them is the standard model. Since the last year of production of the F355 the shields have been available as an option on any Ferrari. They look terrible on the 360 as they don't fit the front wing. They look out of place on the GT cars, the 456M , 612 and California, but do at least physically fit with the design.
Unfortunately, I now think the 599 looks strange without the Scuderia shields, partly because you hardly ever see one without them, and partly because there is plenty of room on that huge front wing.
The problem is indeed the aftermarket shields. There was a Testarossa for sale recently with a very low mileage that had a high price because it was as-new. But it had the aftermarket stuck-on shields. The shields look so much better from the factory as the front wing's metal/ carbon has an indentation where the shield sits, so it's all really well finished. The aftermarket ones are just stickers, or even worse metal shields Araldited onto the paintwork, sitting proud! I have seen this on a 355 and it looked utterly appalling.
lgomgf said:
Which situation on normal roads? I drive quite a lot on German Autobahns with a fairly normal Audi A4 3.0 TDI and I can't drive more than 200km/h for more than lest say 5 minutes, there is always traffic even on Sundays morning.
The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
You occasionally can find the opportunity to drive from say 40 to 120 and then slow back down again. Or alternatively, occasionally the opportunity to overtake a line of 4 or 5 cars. That sort of thing. The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
torres del paine said:
George H said:
They are both awful imo. Can't see either of them ageing well.
Churlish to the extreme - the 458 could never be described as awful. 
king hideous and utterly pointless / offensive pile of sh*te. It should be banished from any self respecting petrolhead site. JS100 said:
torres del paine said:
George H said:
They are both awful imo. Can't see either of them ageing well.
Churlish to the extreme - the 458 could never be described as awful. king hideous and utterly pointless / offensive pile of sh*te. It should be banished from any self respecting petrolhead site. 
myhandle said:
lgomgf said:
Which situation on normal roads? I drive quite a lot on German Autobahns with a fairly normal Audi A4 3.0 TDI and I can't drive more than 200km/h for more than lest say 5 minutes, there is always traffic even on Sundays morning.
The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
You occasionally can find the opportunity to drive from say 40 to 120 and then slow back down again. Or alternatively, occasionally the opportunity to overtake a line of 4 or 5 cars. That sort of thing. The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
700 HP on RWD will just light up the back tyres, so the usual traction control systems you get with new money supercars with their stupid stiff suspension setups will have to cut engine output - effectively making the flaunted 700 HP *useless*
lgomgf is right, you really be hard pressed to find a suitable road to use all that power, and to do that you'd need to be in 4th, 5th, 6th gears doing very high speeds. The speeds that would mean prison in the UK.
TomN94 said:
Here you are. http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/02/24/exclusive-this-...
Looks like the old 612 with a body kit on!!!!Despite that though, I like it!
CoupeCrazy said:
myhandle said:
lgomgf said:
Which situation on normal roads? I drive quite a lot on German Autobahns with a fairly normal Audi A4 3.0 TDI and I can't drive more than 200km/h for more than lest say 5 minutes, there is always traffic even on Sundays morning.
The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
You occasionally can find the opportunity to drive from say 40 to 120 and then slow back down again. Or alternatively, occasionally the opportunity to overtake a line of 4 or 5 cars. That sort of thing. The best road I know in Germany to test your max speed is A24 from Hamburg on Sundays morning, no traffic, and even so I only manage to drive on max speed for about 10 to 15 minutes.
Unless you are talking about red light drag racing...
700 HP on RWD will just light up the back tyres, so the usual traction control systems you get with new money supercars with their stupid stiff suspension setups will have to cut engine output - effectively making the flaunted 700 HP *useless*
lgomgf is right, you really be hard pressed to find a suitable road to use all that power, and to do that you'd need to be in 4th, 5th, 6th gears doing very high speeds. The speeds that would mean prison in the UK.
Just saying.
And even so, its kind of hard to be a petrol head, and pretend that we all stick to the speed limit 100% of the time. I would suggest you are being dishonest IF that is what you're saying.
It's entirely pointless trying to convince someone with different taste on a purely subjective issue like styling
but the 458 does nothing for me at all either. 'meh' at best, from some angles positively ugly.
FF standings for fking Foul as far as I'm concerned
and this new one has the joker grin, which is probably the single worst thing about the FF too!
Ferrari styling went down the toilet after the 355 imo.
I guess it's down to what you expect from Ferrari and personally i expect a lot. Younger people won't remember but ferraris used some of the most beautiful cars ever penned.
I mean, have you seen an F40 recently? A 1989 car that is still sensational, exciting and beautiful to look at all at once. To see one still makes my day.
How about a 288 GTO? That's even older!
but the 458 does nothing for me at all either. 'meh' at best, from some angles positively ugly.
FF standings for f
king Foul as far as I'm concernedand this new one has the joker grin, which is probably the single worst thing about the FF too!
Ferrari styling went down the toilet after the 355 imo.
I guess it's down to what you expect from Ferrari and personally i expect a lot. Younger people won't remember but ferraris used some of the most beautiful cars ever penned.
I mean, have you seen an F40 recently? A 1989 car that is still sensational, exciting and beautiful to look at all at once. To see one still makes my day.
How about a 288 GTO? That's even older!
CoupeCrazy said:
Even so, a 40-120 MPH overtake can be done quickly with just 400 HP
700 HP on RWD will just light up the back tyres, so the usual traction control systems you get with new money supercars with their stupid stiff suspension setups will have to cut engine output - effectively making the flaunted 700 HP *useless*
lgomgf is right, you really be hard pressed to find a suitable road to use all that power, and to do that you'd need to be in 4th, 5th, 6th gears doing very high speeds. The speeds that would mean prison in the UK.
400bhp is enough, but more can be better. EG the 420 BHP Porsche 996 Turbo is a great car and very fast, but the 997 Turbo S is simply a much better derivative of the same thing, partly because it has another 100 ish BHP, and partly for other advances. It's a 4wd car, of course, and these Ferraris are RWD. It is possible to put down all the power in something like a 599, occasionally, in short bursts, on the road, in the dry. It's not really a track car, but a 599 or F620 would go round a track just fine. Driving one around in a 160mph cruise with occasional accelerative bursts in the UK is of course ridiculous, but that's not the only way to enjoy these cars, surely. If the overriding priority is to drive very fast, surely a tuned GTR is the way to go. Things like the 599 and the F620 are about a balance between pleasure of ownership, interest in the brand, and design, as well as absolute performance. It is an extremely naff analogy, but valid nonetheless - people who own pet big cats (several thousand in the USA apparently, which sounds like a lot!) don't try and get them to savage the postman.700 HP on RWD will just light up the back tyres, so the usual traction control systems you get with new money supercars with their stupid stiff suspension setups will have to cut engine output - effectively making the flaunted 700 HP *useless*
lgomgf is right, you really be hard pressed to find a suitable road to use all that power, and to do that you'd need to be in 4th, 5th, 6th gears doing very high speeds. The speeds that would mean prison in the UK.
The other side of this is that if Ferrari don't make the cars more powerful, there would be complaints. If Ferrari did not make them more tractable, there would be complaints. The first potential complaint might change in the future, but with a hybrid turbo V8 / electric motor / 4wd there is no reason why these cars could not have the equivalent of 1000bhp. Surely, what is so great about the F620 and the upcoming new-Enzo is that they are possibly the last N/A V12 Ferraris. For people truly into cars, that surely represents some kind of pinnacle, to be celebrated.
Edited by myhandle on Monday 27th February 23:45
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