RE: BMW M550d: Chris Harris live blog

[StevieB]

Vladimir said:

too many on here don't have a garage either - IMO every single one is a troll. No garage, no pride in their cars, no cred when slating others.

Those with a lovely collection of cars have taken the time to list and comment on them. Trolls with some sh1box or nothing (I suspect many are teens with no car) don't do this.

If someone takes the time to pick apart diesels for not being a purist/driveable/whatever as petrols but drives a Freelander, I will comment. Every single time. If it upsets you, I suggest you hang back from commenting.

I totally disagree with this! Some of us love cars and have driven a fair few, but due to lack of funds drive bread and butter cars. Does that mean we arent knowledgeable or entitled to an opinion. Personally I dont slate anyones choice of wheels, but I can still have an opinion. As for calling people trolls, maybe with that attitude, you need to gravitate to the EVO Forum..they like that sort of attitude on there

[Vladimir]

StevieB said:

I totally disagree with this! Some of us love cars and have driven a fair few, but due to lack of funds drive bread and butter cars. Does that mean we arent knowledgeable or entitled to an opinion. Personally I dont slate anyones choice of wheels, but I can still have an opinion. As for calling people trolls, maybe with that attitude, you need to gravitate to the EVO Forum..they like that sort of attitude on there

Apart from aesthetics, how can you have an opinion of something you've not driven and are unlikely to drive?

When I was pre driving age, I didn't go around flinging my opinions about on all sorts of cars. When I'd passed, I had experience of a handful of dreadful cars - I didn't feel to need to write a long critique of a new M car.
Now I'm approaching old git-dom, I have driven quite a lot of cars - from the humdrum (and sometimes surprisingly good) to the semi exotic. But I STILL won't shout an opinion on a Lambo or Maserati because I have never driven either. Both look lovely, I'm sure both go well but that's from what I have seen written and heard.

And the garage thing IS relevant - not for snobbery - I couldn't give two hoots if someone has an old diesel Ford or whatever (at least most handle well); but to make bold claims as many a PHer does (usually with no garage) with what appears to be no experience, is just pathetic. There is also a major PLUS side to the garage - I sometimes check them, see someone has something really interesting (it does not have to be expensive - in fact often the opposite) and enthuse about it, sharing some positivity.

Or maybe it's just that most I have had a quick thread search on with no garage just seem to troll and nothing else.

We are here to share an enthusiasm about cars - be it a 20 year old Fiesta or a brand new 911 Turbo. To have no garage is a bit like jumping on a football forum, claiming to know everything about tactics and management while actually having never played in a real game.

[martin mrt]

I'd happily have that over an M5, it's available as a tourer for a start,

I don't get what the fuss is about, it's a diesel saloon/tourer, with fantastic performance, sensible fuel economy, running costs that can worry some sports cars in the performance stakes, a fantastic blend of qualities in my humble opinion

If it was available in RHD I would 110% consider one to replace the 335d in a few years time

[ZeeTacoe]

Vladimir said:

StevieB said:

I totally disagree with this! Some of us love cars and have driven a fair few, but due to lack of funds drive bread and butter cars. Does that mean we arent knowledgeable or entitled to an opinion. Personally I dont slate anyones choice of wheels, but I can still have an opinion. As for calling people trolls, maybe with that attitude, you need to gravitate to the EVO Forum..they like that sort of attitude on there

Apart from aesthetics, how can you have an opinion of something you've not driven and are unlikely to drive?

What about noise or the physics behind a cars acceleration(E38ross had some interesting things to say about an M3 and the 335d a while ago)?
Or the interior quality?

[Vladimir]

ZeeTacoe said:

What about noise or the physics behind a cars acceleration(E38ross had some interesting things to say about an M3 and the 335d a while ago)?
Or the interior quality?

So how can you form an opinion on noise of something you may have possibly heard drive past and that's it? Or on interior quality of something you've never even sat in? Not saying all are like this but I suspect the majority are.

I'm 99% sure Ross has driven a lot of cars - you can just tell by the way he writes. You don't get that just from some numbers in a few magazines.

Here is an example of how experience counts - the 750i (previous shape) I tested - it weighs 1.9 tonnes, is pretty enormous, totally overladen with tech (much of it pointless) yet drive one along a decent B road and the damn thing just shrinks around you. The singing V8 makes your knees tremble despite being muted and it feels more like a hot hatch, so sorted is the chassis. Can you get that just from some numbers? I don't think so.

Conversely the Nissan Qashqui I hired seems like an okay proposition yet is level pegging with the early shape Vectra for the worst handling car I have ever driven. Actually make that vehicle - which includes a very cheap Chinese tractor and a ride on lawnmower.

[AreOut]

Vladimir said:

We are here to share an enthusiasm about cars - be it a 20 year old Fiesta or a brand new 911 Turbo. To have no garage is a bit like jumping on a football forum, claiming to know everything about tactics and management while actually having never played in a real game.

FYI I think that Jose Mourinho has never played in a competitive game, if you don't know who am I talking about you can easily google him

[Vladimir]

AreOut said:

FYI I think that Jose Mourinho has never played in a competitive game, if you don't know who am I talking about you can easily google him

He did actually. Many times.

[carl0s]

Why aren't LPG cars being pushed at all?? OK so they're not great on road tax, but it's still only 60% of the price, and doesn't take much to make the petrol cars work with it.

[AreOut]

Vladimir said:

He did actually. Many times.

hah I see, I'd bet I heard a commentator mentioning him not playing on a professional level, nevertheless he was a mediocre reserve team player

carl0s said:

Why aren't LPG cars being pushed at all?? OK so they're not great on road tax, but it's still only 60% of the price, and doesn't take much to make the petrol cars work with it.

some people want to keep the whole boot, some don't like smell of LPG etc. but if you account all pros and cons its the most economical way to haul around

[E38Ross]

AreOut said:

some people want to keep the whole boot, some don't like smell of LPG etc. but if you account all pros and cons its the most economical way to haul around

don't say that too loudly, thinfourth will be along to tell you a £30k nissan leaf is a far cheaper and more viable alternative to every single person in the UK

[carl0s]

AreOut said:

some people want to keep the whole boot, some don't like smell of LPG etc. but if you account all pros and cons its the most economical way to haul around

Why no factory LPG cars??

[E38Ross]

carl0s said:

AreOut said:

some people want to keep the whole boot, some don't like smell of LPG etc. but if you account all pros and cons its the most economical way to haul around

Why no factory LPG cars??

no idea. however, i suspect if it ever became anywhere near as "mainstream" as petrol or diesel, the fuel price wouldn't be anywhere near as low as it is now.

[Blown2CV]

E38Ross said:

carl0s said:

AreOut said:

some people want to keep the whole boot, some don't like smell of LPG etc. but if you account all pros and cons its the most economical way to haul around

Why no factory LPG cars??

no idea. however, i suspect if it ever became anywhere near as "mainstream" as petrol or diesel, the fuel price wouldn't be anywhere near as low as it is now.

there used to be vauxhall dual fuel models

[carl0s]

Blown2CV said:

there used to be vauxhall dual fuel models

and Volvo, I think.