RE: SOTW: Peugeot 306 GTI-6

[flattotheboards]

chevronb37 said:

Why don't you take some lessons from wacko? I'm sure he could beat a girl driving a shopping wagon.

If I was sat at a computer drinking coffee then it would currently be all over the keyboard, however I'm not and I don't like coffee.

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[s m]

Mr Whippy said:

I never did much figure capturing in my GTi6, but having weighed lots of engine/drivetrain bits from a GTi6 (broke/scrapped one), and done lots of figuring in my GTi6, I'd say ALL the standard figures look a bit out.
I'd say 7s flat to 60mph is easily achievable if you perfect your 1st gear launching, and I'd say 1215kg is very pessimistic. My 306 HDi weighed 1128kg dry, and I can't see where a GTi6 weighs near 100kg more, maybe 30-35kg tops (about Rallye book weight in my opinion)

I think the GTi6 suffered with ste 0-60mph times back in the day because they were running the skiddiest low traction tyres ever put on a sporty car, the P6000 from Pirelli. The difference to me was night and day after moving to a modern tyre like the F1 GSD3 when I bought mine!


Dave

The Rallye that Autocar figured weighed 1163kg according to the test. The extra 51kg weight of the GTi-6 was put down to the aircon and sunroof.

The Rallye in the Autocar test ran on Michelin Pilot SX - the important factor in the acceleration times was the wet test track on the day it was timed

[LeeThr]

The GTi-6 also had leather intetior unlike the rallye

[HereBeMonsters]

LeeThr said:

The GTi-6 also had leather intetior unlike the rallye

Please read the thread...

[crocodile tears]

HereBeMonsters said:

LeeThr said:

The GTi-6 also had leather intetior unlike the rallye

Please read the thread...

I'm sure he has and it did.

You might have been able to specially spec leather in a rallye but its extremely rare

[LeeThr]

I was refering to the comment above about where the extra weight came from.

[UnderTheRadar]

I got one of these as a hire car on a work trip and my initial thoughts were "Oh boocks it's a Peugeot. It was a complete hoot with brilliant handling - you knew exactly what was going on underneath your bum. And I was used to daily driving mid-engined RWD at the time. Sadly as it it was a work event my very hung-over passengers meant out of consideration, hoonage had to cease.

[Mr Whippy]

s m said:

Mr Whippy said:

I never did much figure capturing in my GTi6, but having weighed lots of engine/drivetrain bits from a GTi6 (broke/scrapped one), and done lots of figuring in my GTi6, I'd say ALL the standard figures look a bit out.
I'd say 7s flat to 60mph is easily achievable if you perfect your 1st gear launching, and I'd say 1215kg is very pessimistic. My 306 HDi weighed 1128kg dry, and I can't see where a GTi6 weighs near 100kg more, maybe 30-35kg tops (about Rallye book weight in my opinion)

I think the GTi6 suffered with ste 0-60mph times back in the day because they were running the skiddiest low traction tyres ever put on a sporty car, the P6000 from Pirelli. The difference to me was night and day after moving to a modern tyre like the F1 GSD3 when I bought mine!


Dave

The Rallye that Autocar figured weighed 1163kg according to the test. The extra 51kg weight of the GTi-6 was put down to the aircon and sunroof.

The Rallye in the Autocar test ran on Michelin Pilot SX - the important factor in the acceleration times was the wet test track on the day it was timed

I don't know the actual numbers to be certain, but all of them sound suspect to me in one way or another

My GTi6 didn't have a sunroof, and having removed aircon I'd say maybe 15-20kg tops over a non-AC model.

Modern tyres that actually have grip, and getting good at setting off without bogging down or getting excessive wheel spin, should see 7s to 60mph achievable.

Basically trying to say they are a rather under-rated car. They always perform better than you would think for what is down on paper.


I really liked mine but the costs were just crackers *if* you wanted to keep them in good condition and driving how they should. Now owning a BMW and doing bushes once every decade you realise that Peugeot see most parts like bushes, exhausts and engine mounts as bi-annual consumables haha!

Dave

[s m]

Mr Whippy said:

s m said:

Mr Whippy said:

I never did much figure capturing in my GTi6, but having weighed lots of engine/drivetrain bits from a GTi6 (broke/scrapped one), and done lots of figuring in my GTi6, I'd say ALL the standard figures look a bit out.
I'd say 7s flat to 60mph is easily achievable if you perfect your 1st gear launching, and I'd say 1215kg is very pessimistic. My 306 HDi weighed 1128kg dry, and I can't see where a GTi6 weighs near 100kg more, maybe 30-35kg tops (about Rallye book weight in my opinion)

I think the GTi6 suffered with ste 0-60mph times back in the day because they were running the skiddiest low traction tyres ever put on a sporty car, the P6000 from Pirelli. The difference to me was night and day after moving to a modern tyre like the F1 GSD3 when I bought mine!


Dave

The Rallye that Autocar figured weighed 1163kg according to the test. The extra 51kg weight of the GTi-6 was put down to the aircon and sunroof.

The Rallye in the Autocar test ran on Michelin Pilot SX - the important factor in the acceleration times was the wet test track on the day it was timed

I don't know the actual numbers to be certain, but all of them sound suspect to me in one way or another

My GTi6 didn't have a sunroof, and having removed aircon I'd say maybe 15-20kg tops over a non-AC model.

Modern tyres that actually have grip, and getting good at setting off without bogging down or getting excessive wheel spin, should see 7s to 60mph achievable.

Dave

Autocar can only weigh the test car they are provided with. All they were saying was that the 306 Gti-6 with sunroof, aircon, etc etc weighed 1214kg.
The Rallye they had weighed 1163kg - about what you suggested. I can't see why they'd make that up. It's about what I'd expect for that size hatch with that equipment. A newer Clio 197 weighs more than either

As for the times recorded, the Autocar ones were done on a wet/damp track so I'd expect them to be slower than the Performance Car/EVO mag ones which were done on a dry track. The times done on a dry track were 6.9 and 7.2 for the Rallye/Gti-6 respectively which is what you are saying is they are capable off. I'd find it entirely believable that they'd be half a second off that with the track wet. I can't see that the times are that 'suspect'

[Mr Whippy]

The weights, full tank, empty tank, half tank, one driver, two? Passengers, equipment levels?

GTi6's came in three flavours from early to late models, with different specs.

I guess only the Rallye weight is meaningful as they only came in phase 2 with a fixed spec iirc.


I just think all the numbers are only rough. No one actually weighed a car, said exactly what car it was, and what was in it, then did a 0-60 in good dry conditions.


Generally this is a mini rant about all the figures magazines give out, they are all a bit crap really, and they were really really crap for the GTi6...

My general gist is that a GTi6 would do 0-60mph in about 7s dead, not 7.2s.

I also believe the Rallye is about the same weight as a GTi6 P3 model anyway (so about 1165-1185kg), and that it's no faster. Maybe with tens of tests you'd start to see differences over the statistical noise!?


Dave

[s m]

Mr Whippy said:

The weights, full tank, empty tank, half tank, one driver, two? Passengers, equipment levels?

GTi6's came in three flavours from early to late models, with different specs.

I guess only the Rallye weight is meaningful as they only came in phase 2 with a fixed spec iirc.


I just think all the numbers are only rough. No one actually weighed a car, said exactly what car it was, and what was in it, then did a 0-60 in good dry conditions.


Generally this is a mini rant about all the figures magazines give out, they are all a bit crap really, and they were really really crap for the GTi6...

My general gist is that a GTi6 would do 0-60mph in about 7s dead, not 7.2s.

I also believe the Rallye is about the same weight as a GTi6 P3 model anyway (so about 1165-1185kg), and that it's no faster. Maybe with tens of tests you'd start to see differences over the statistical noise!?


Dave

If you read the actual test figures in the mag they tell you all the above. They even tell you the ambient temp, how many miles showing on the odometer, track conditions, wind speed and what equipment the car had on.
As always, different test drivers, different cars, different track conditions will produce slightly different figures