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E38Ross

15,129 posts

98 months

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kambites said:
I can see why they aren't planning to sell it here. It sounds like it's too heavy and cumbersome to be good on twisty roads; too wide to be fun on narrow roads; and doesn't really do anything better than a 530d on the motorway, whilst offering significantly worse economy. On top of that, the 4WD system only provides significant benefit at speeds which are far beyond legal in the UK and in the south of England where the majority of the population lives (especially the majority of the population who could afford to spend this much on a car), it doesn't snow often enough to be worth having for that...

I can see the point in Germany where there are still unrestricted motorways, or in countries that get a significant amount of snow-fall around their major centres of population but in the UK I just can't see many people buying it.
But then you're saying why make an m5 when a 520d is just as good on the motorway

I'm sure you've never gone above 70 rolleyes

8 forward gears is plenty and better than 7,so long as it's not shifting too often perceptibly. If it's not perceptible it does matter, as it offers better performance and economy.

ArosaMike

1,023 posts

97 months

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As I said on the original topic, to me it just seems like a 535d with more power and an M Sport bodykit. Undoubtably very capable, but distinctly not an M car. I'm not really sure why they've marketed it so heavily under the M brand. It's clearly not an out and out performance saloon....it's a very, very capable every day mile muncher.

Still, it continues the march of technology, and I'm sure to many it will be a very capable day to day family car. If it was my money though, I'd just accept the 10mpg worse fuel consumption and buy the real M car instead!

Not convinced we're missing out on this one!

kambites

40,932 posts

107 months

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E38Ross said:
But then you're saying why make an m5 when a 520d is just as good on the motorway

I'm sure you've never gone above 70 rolleyes
You completely misinterpret what I said. The 520d probably is as good on the motorway as the M5 (better in some ways), but the M5 is a much more capable car in other environments. This article implies that the 550d is not.

Of course I've driven above 70, but not above 100 and lets face it, the standard 5-series is hardly lacking in aerodynamic stability at 100mph.

PascalBuyens

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2,868 posts

168 months

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Garlick said:
You did read this part didn't you?

BMW M550d xDrive
Engine: 2,993cc 6-cyl diesel, tri-turbo
Transmission: 8-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 381@4,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 546@2,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.7 sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,970kg (EU)
MPG: 44.8mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 165g/km
Price: N/A

Quite possibly the best real world useable car you can can't buy today
Yep, did read.

M + d = a disgrace to the M-brand, IMHO, as well as the addition of the xDrive. A proper M-car is RWD, and comes with a manual gearbox equipped. Call me old school but that's me...

As for being the "best real world usable"... My "old" E60 525d maintenance costs for 18 months and 130k miles ran in the high 20k Euros... I dare to think what it will cost if something goes wrong on that engine.

BTW: I live in Belgium, so if I wanted, I could buy one. But I'll gladly pass because of the blandness...

Edited by PascalBuyens on Tuesday 28th February 12:24

Devil2575

8,139 posts

74 months

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PascalBuyens said:
IMHO, as well as the addition of the xDrive. A proper M-car is RWD, and comes with a manual gearbox equipped. Call me old school but that's me...
As BMW make them, surely they decide what makes a proper M car? wink
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margerison

227 posts

136 months

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Guvernator said:
The twin turbo diesels are unreliable enough as it is
Are they?

Darkk

193 posts

75 months

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margerison said:
Guvernator said:
The twin turbo diesels are unreliable enough as it is
Are they?
I'm quite surprised with this one.

I've seen quite a few, some heavily remapped, and as reliable as they come!

0a

13,279 posts

80 months

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PascalBuyens said:
My "old" E60 525d maintenance costs for 18 months and 130k miles ran in the high 20k Euros...
130k miles in 18 months!!! Ouch!

Dave Hedgehog

7,270 posts

90 months

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pointless car in my mind

Wills2

8,527 posts

61 months

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I really love the thought of this car, the perfect all weather motorway mile muncher.

I really don't understand why people get vexed on the issue of the "M" badge (although I would remove it if I had one) it's presence rightly or wrongly on the car doesn't change the fact that it is a very capable car, from what I've read.

I have a 911 and a 520d (f10) one for the motorway and one for the weekend, but I hate the 520d's lack of go even on the motorway so much that I'm looking for a one car solution, this if it came to the UK would be it.

Would I prefer the M5 for my one car solution? Of course but the cost of fueling it over 30k per annum would be a show stopper. (I must be getting old) frown

sleep envy

61,886 posts

135 months

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PascalBuyens said:
BTW: I live in Belgium, so if I wanted, I could buy one. But I'll gladly pass because of the blandness...

Edited by PascalBuyens on Tuesday 28th February 12:24
have you driven one yet?

Ranger 6

4,908 posts

135 months

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toppstuff said:
Dear BMW

Before you brief your engineers to go and design stuff, management should get their minds around the idea that RHD markets like 4WD for the same reason the German market does.
Audi are making you look like idiots. They can engineer both RHD and LHD 4WD platforms and make money from them. So should you.

It is'nt good enough. Sort it out.

Yours Faithfully,

TS

This - and not just triple turbo 5 series, we want a RHD 330xd Touring NOW

roadie

60 posts

148 months

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I don't get why it's getting so much attention and reviews in the UK when you won't be able to buy it?

Guvernator

3,445 posts

51 months

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Darkk said:
margerison said:
Guvernator said:
The twin turbo diesels are unreliable enough as it is
Are they?
I'm quite surprised with this one.

I've seen quite a few, some heavily remapped, and as reliable as they come!
I suggest you type in BMW turbo diesel failure into Google! I don't have personal experience myself and I know the internet can sometimes be full of scare stories but I have heard and read enough evidence to suggest it might be quite a big issue. I'd suggest adding more complication to an already fairly complicated setup might not help.

Then again I went and bought a 335i twin turbo which also has it's fair share of reliability horror stories so I must be a glutton for punishment. biggrin

PS. If as according to PH, a remapped 335d can beat any and all contenders, I wonder what this baby could do with a remap? I suspect stopping the planet from turning might be involved biggrin

enneffo

17 posts

32 months

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Shame there's no pictures in the 'tech info' frown. Written by marketing I'd say - 'forceful and sustained thrust' and turbocharger 'announcing their arrival' doesn't sound like engineer-speak to me...

Wills2

8,527 posts

61 months

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enneffo said:
Shame there's no pictures in the 'tech info' frown. Written by marketing I'd say - 'forceful and sustained thrust' and turbocharger 'announcing their arrival' doesn't sound like engineer-speak to me...
Were you expecting a series of equations?

Big Six

37 posts

33 months

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There can never be a RHD version because the first CAT is right where the steering shaft would be.

http://youtu.be/S5WSlL_qTS8

Gorbyrev

732 posts

40 months

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Hmm - "Monkey's Breakfast Sausage" - there's the title of a features column!

loomx

323 posts

111 months

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StottyZr said:
I see a pattern here, the 335d was almost as quick as the E46 M3.

So the next generation of diesels should be F10 M5 quick scratchchin
The next, next would be like the F10, the next would be E60... Still they can make a diesel sound like the E60 then I am there! preferably not with the audio system!

RichTBiscuit

403 posts

37 months

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So it appears to have very similar fuel consumption (in the real world)to a 550i or only 10mpg more than a M5....

Err - there's no question is there? if it's your own money you'd have a 550i or an M5, surely.

If you do big miles or it's a company car, only then does the 550d makes sense to me.
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