RE: PH Blog: back from the magistrates

RE: PH Blog: back from the magistrates

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MichelV

133 posts

153 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Can someone explain the below to a non UK person

"Just as it now appears impossible to tax a car without a cover note that bears the same address as the V5 document, so drivers with valid insurance through fleet schemes and such like could find themselves, like I did, in a spot of bother."

I now what the V5 is but I do not see the link with the address /tax/ insurance

Thanks


avhbi

104 posts

189 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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To be honest the DVLA are a bunch of useless.... erm.. pole propelled shallow draft boats.

I had a car clamped on my drive for having a unlicenced/taxed vehicle on the public highway. It was SORN'ed throughout winter and on my own land. Not my fault that the road becomes private at the end. DVLA accepted that after a terse conversation with the council but would the clamping company accept that. Not unless I showed them the deeds and other arbitrary crud. I eventually just removed the clamp and told them to swivel.

BigBen

11,652 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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The Wookie said:
havoc said:
Has CH made a post yet that wasn't designed to provoke?

scratchchin
TBH I did wonder before I ranted... oh well I bit!
I knew there must be a good reason he referred to a license plate.

surveyor

17,850 posts

185 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I kind of don't of see that the system can make mistakes, and it's the price worth paying. But those who have power should understand that their system makes mistakes and should have a method of resolving those which does not oblige the victim to travel to Swansea IMO.

craig-A

520 posts

221 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Around 18 months ago i tried to tax my motorbike on line to find i couldn't as they had no record of any insurance, I contacted my insurance broker who confirmed my insurance but also confirmed that my bike was not on the data base, i protested about this, explaining had the police stopped me i'd have had trouble trying to prove insurance to them, they answered that it was my responsibilty to make sure that i was on the database and it could take up to 4 weeks from that date to get on it!

Just to make matters worse, i couldn't find my insurance docs so had to pay to have another set sent out so i could stand in line at the post office to tax my bike the old fashioned way!

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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havoc said:
Has CH made a post yet that wasn't designed to provoke?

scratchchin
Are you suggesting he's a professional troll? scratchchinwink

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

186 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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havoc said:
Has CH made a post yet that wasn't designed to provoke?

scratchchin
I don't understand what's provocative about it? Seemed a well reasoned piece of op-ed..? confused

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

266 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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sanctum said:
I believe you are owed a day's holiday or the value thereof as you were summond to attend court under false pretenses.
For a motoring journalist who then published an article about the experience, I'm not sure it counts as having to take a day off...

ctallchris

1,266 posts

180 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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There appears to be a slight flaw in the process. Surely after you receive the summons there should be instructions on how to call the DVLA and get them to conference call your insurance company to confirm that your car is insured.

10 minutes with Joe from the dvla's insurance department could resolve the problem and free up the time from our courts to process all the extra bad un's that our police will lock up in the time they would usually spend looking for uninsured drivers.

Seems a shame to waste your time and that of the 10 or so people that adorn the magistrates court when it could probably be resolved by a phone call.

LewisR

678 posts

216 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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This, like speed camaras, has a huge flaw; it only penalises those who break some of the laws but not all of them. If I were to steal someone else's car and then drive it through a speed camara at 100mph. No one would have a clue who it was. It relies on someone being honest enough to tell DVLA who they are and where they live in the first place.

paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

160 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Garlick said:
You ticked a box to say you were the registered keeper. oh dear.....

cop
judge
I did that too silly

My first car, written off by yours truly, is back on the roads it seems...

Wish I'd bought it back now weeping

V8 FOU

2,977 posts

148 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Dr G said:
My trade policy allows me to add cars to MIDB very quickly online.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that it is insured. These days you have to inform the insurance co too so that you are covered. Entering on the MiD only helps to obtain tax, not being stopped etc..

TobesH

550 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I do get the feeling the honest regular car owner gets the bum deal and those scum who avoid the law seem to get away with it again and again. That is why they have these systems but actually it just makes our lives more complicated and potentially expensive.

Typical episode of Police, Camera, Action before the end of the programme:
'man arrested for driving at 140mph with no MOT, no insurance, no license, 20 illegitimate kids with no seat belts on... for the third time,,, in a year... gets 1 hours community service and cup of tea at the police station'. If that was you our me, we'd be locked up and they'd throw away the key!

suffolk009

5,441 posts

166 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I know a chap who reckons the government should provide third party insurance to all drivers. Automatically. It would be funded from taxation in the price of petrol. Just basic no frills third party. No fire, theft or money for you.

Nothing to stop you taking out further F&T or comp insurance. That'd be your choice.

How useful would that be? Never happen though.

neil-f

1,647 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Just checked out my cars and my GT3 is not showing up as insured so have emailed the broker!

havoc

30,094 posts

236 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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MagicalTrevor said:
havoc said:
Has CH made a post yet that wasn't designed to provoke?

scratchchin
Are you suggesting he's a professional troll? scratchchinwink
I'd NEVER make any remarks about his looks, that just wouldn't be fair!
whistle




Oh, wait, I see - you were talking about his writing. wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Yay.
YES EOF707LIS showing as insured on the Motor Insurance Database today.
The details on the MID are:

Vehicle Make/Model: AUSTIN MINI COOPER S

If the vehicle make and model details are not correct you must contact your insurance provider to resolve the issue.

Quite a helpful site to be honest.

2woody

919 posts

211 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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it's more simple than that - its about public servants creating jobs for themselves.

Are they going to stop any uninsured driving ? no, of course not. The criminal class that this is aimed at just won't care.

Are they going to waste a lot of money with databases, letters and summoning innocent people to court ? yes

Are they going to give otherwise law-abiding persens a headache ? yes of course they are, just like the number plate supply laws or SORN, etc. It's all just collateral damage to them

tommy vercetti

11,489 posts

164 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Say you couldn't attend and you had a good reason, who reckons they would have still fined Chris even though he was innocent? A 10/15 minute phone call would have saved both parties a lot of time and money.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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The Crack Fox said:
More proactive cops, less cameras and automated fines, please.
For the purpose of catching uninsured drivers i'm quite happy with an automated system. Cheaper and far more effective.

Lets the Police get on with other stuff.