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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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Globs said: daemon said: Not really much point in someone whos recently bought an A8 OR a 335i complaining about fuel prices - they knew what they were going to be like before they bought it. Would an A6 2.0TDI not suffice instead of an A8? OR a 320d instead of a 335i? If the answer is NO then stop complaining and get on with enjoying your car whos running costs you presumably factored in when you bought it. OR if the answer is YES, then learn from it and next time round buy the right car to match what you are prepared to outlay each month in fuel. People are not complaining about the prices, they are complaining about the TAX. Read the thread title! I knew what the employment tax rates were before I got a job, but I still want them to stop wasting my money and to reduce taxes. Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples.
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bigdog3
757 posts
49 months
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daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt  Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ...  If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now?
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Globs
11,749 posts
100 months
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daemon said: There are alternatives to spending £££'s on fuel. 90% of people just dont bother considering them. This is a thread about the TAX RATE on fuel. daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. Wrong, the percentage tax paid will remain the same. This is a thread about the TAX RATE on fuel.
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MissChief
1,099 posts
37 months
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bigdog3 said: You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? The 'transport' bit may be essential. The 'A8' certainly isn't.
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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bigdog3 said: daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? I do get it. You think you pay too much tax on fuel. SO, choices are :- (a) Hope for a massive shift in taxation away from fuel which will mean you will be taxed on something else you dont have control over like VAT, income TAX, etc, because this country is f  ked financially OR (b) Reduce your tax by using less fuel. oh OR (c) whinge about it on a forum. Personally, i'm all over (b)
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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Globs said: daemon said: There are alternatives to spending £££'s on fuel. 90% of people just dont bother considering them. This is a thread about the TAX RATE on fuel. daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. Wrong, the percentage tax paid will remain the same. This is a thread about the TAX RATE on fuel. OK, i'll reword it for you. "there are alternatives to paying lots of tax on fuel. 90% of people just dont bother considering them" Personally, i dont give a monkeys about the percentage, and neither should you - I'd rather pay 70% tax out of £50 spent than 20% tax on £500 spent. You CONTROL the amount of tax you pay on fuel by virtue of the amount you use. Drive an inefficient car then the consequences are you pay more tax. That has been the case for decades upon decades. I dont understand why thats such a surprise now. This really isnt rocket science.
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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bigdog3 said: daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? You knew that when you bought it. Why complain now? Did you not do your homework first? You want to pay less tax, drive a more efficient car.
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bigdog3
757 posts
49 months
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MissChief said: The 'transport' bit may be essential. The 'A8' certainly isn't. Agreed but that's not the point of this thread. Really doesn't matter whether your vehicle is a moped or V12 Ferrari, does £40 expenditure on an essential commodity supplemented by £72 of taxation make sense personally or to the British economy. Many (including me) have suggested it does not - please read previous posts ... ... 
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bigdog3
757 posts
49 months
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daemon said: bigdog3 said: daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? You knew that when you bought it. Why complain now? Did you not do your homework first? You want to pay less tax, drive a more efficient car. Bought what? I don't drive an A8 and never have 
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frosted
3,549 posts
46 months
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bigdog3 said: You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? I think what he is trying to say is that he paid £112 for £40 worth of petrol
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Fox-
9,960 posts
115 months
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daemon said: You knew that when you bought it. Presumably only if he bought it this year. It would have cost about 70 quid to fill if he bought in early 2009, for example.
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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Fox- said: daemon said: You knew that when you bought it. Presumably only if he bought it this year. It would have cost about 70 quid to fill if he bought in early 2009, for example. Well it would have cost him close to almost as much in 2008. Is there anyone out there who really thinks petrol prices are going to go down over time?
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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bigdog3 said: daemon said: bigdog3 said: daemon said: Reduce your fuel consumption = reduce your tax payable. Simples. You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? You knew that when you bought it. Why complain now? Did you not do your homework first? You want to pay less tax, drive a more efficient car. Bought what? I don't drive an A8 and never have Apologies - in the context of what you were saying i thought you were the O/P - your use of 'my' in a sentence without quotes threw me. Irrespective, my comments stand. Fuel / tax on fuel prices have been getting higher for years. There are ways to avoid this tax - or at least a good part of it.
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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frosted said: bigdog3 said: You and others like you, continue to miss the point of this thread. Beginning to wonder if that's intentional but perhaps you deserve benefit of the doubt Read the title: £112 to fill up my A8. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!! ... If the letters A8 offend, replace them with CAR or even ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. I'll do it for you: £112 to fill up my ESSENTIAL TRANSPORT. That's £72 to the Treasury !!!!!!!Geddit now? I think what he is trying to say is that he paid £112 for £40 worth of petrol So reduce the amount of petrol you use, and you reduce the tax paid? I went through a fill of diesel (£139) in my x5 in 4 days in my x5 in 2008 and i thought 'f k this'. I've changed my driving and habits.
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Fox-
9,960 posts
115 months
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daemon said: Well it would have cost him close to almost as much in 2008.
Is there anyone out there who really thinks petrol prices are going to go down over time? Why does that mean people can't be irritated about how much it costs? What if they drive a 320d but wish they could have an M3 but cannot due to the fuel costs? They can be miffed about that if they like. It's so obvious thats its pointless you pointing out we can reduce the amount we pay by using less petrol. Nice one sherlock. That doesn't mean we can't be dissapointed that the days of driving lots in great cars are rapidly coming to a close courtesy of the price of fuel. This is supposed to be a motoring enthusiasts site. We are allowed to be dissapointed and irritated that going for a 200 mile hoon in a V8 just doesn't happen anymore without you popping in to point out the glaringly obvious. Never mind, Obama has decided the oil market is 'stable' enough to go for yet another round of sanctions against Iran, so its up we go even more. Then another 3.6p of duty in the Summer, as it's not expensive enough. But we shouldn't say anything negative about it, after all, we could just sell our cars for 20p (Have you tried selling something with a big engine lately?) and buy an Ecodiesel and a bicycle, so how dare we have a moan.
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frosted
3,549 posts
46 months
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daemon said: So reduce the amount of petrol you use, and you reduce the tax paid? I went through a fill of diesel (£139) in my x5 in 4 days in my x5 in 2008 and i thought 'f k this'. I've changed my driving and habits. I understand that prices are high, I spend £100 on diesel each week,tbh I don't know where the f k it goes, last count was £20 for 100 miles from tdi passat. I'm just wondering if the op thinks most people drive a Eco 1.6diesel by choice and not necessity ?
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bigdog3
757 posts
49 months
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daemon said: You knew that when you bought it.
Why complain now? Did you not do your homework first?
You want to pay less tax, drive a more efficient car. bigdog3 said: Bought what? I don't drive an A8 and never have daemon said: Apologies - in the context of what you were saying i thought you were the O/P - your use of 'my' in a sentence without quotes threw me.
Irrespective, my comments stand. Fuel / tax on fuel prices have been getting higher for years.
There are ways to avoid this tax - or at least a good part of it. Focus diesel which returns over 50mpg unless I'm towing, when it's a Ranger diesel pick-up
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Willy Nilly
2,891 posts
36 months
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daemon said: You want to pay less tax, drive a more efficient car. What if you already drive a small car that doesn't use much fuel? The tax on the fuel is still the same. People driving the big motors can down size, but there are plenty of people for whom a car is not a luxury are already being priced off the road. These people still need to work. I have said elsewhere that if the price of oil meant the price of unleaded was £2/litre, then that's fine. It is the tax I have an issue with.
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bigdog3
757 posts
49 months
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Fox- said: Never mind, Obama has decided the oil market is 'stable' enough to go for yet another round of sanctions against Iran, so its up we go even more. Then another 3.6p of duty in the Summer, as it's not expensive enough.
But we shouldn't say anything negative about it, after all, we could just sell our cars for 20p (Have you tried selling something with a big engine lately?) and buy an Ecodiesel and a bicycle, so how dare we have a moan. bigdog3 said: bigsillyV10 understands the problem and still would if he exchanged the VW Touareg for a 50 mpg diesel econobox  bigsillyV10 said: USA - 18690000 barrels of oil per day
Cost of a gallon of unleaded - £2.35
China - 8200000 (approx 2008)
Cost per gallon £2.90
UK - 1669000
Cost per gallon - £6.58
What are these countries doing about it, nothing, they are trying to drive their economies not run them into the ground. At £2.35 per gallon and a recovering economy (linked possibly ?), Obama has some latitude
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matthias73
1,673 posts
19 months
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daemon said: matthias73 said: No, we should never be put in a position where we have to stop basic hobbies to afford our fuel. So its a basic right to have gym membership then? What about Sky subscription? And an iphone? Where do you draw the line? I didnt say it was a right, but if people are working full time and spending all their wages on neccesities and have no money left for pleasure, we might as well not bother living, because our quality of life would be appalling. Remember, we dont exist purely to line the pockets of a few.
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