The cost of runing a Diesel.
Discussion
jbi said:
I would not touch a modern diesel with a BARGE POLE
ticking time bombs...
My mate is looking at a £1300 bill to sort out a couple of injectors on his 1.5 DCI clio and he has just had a kid and moved into a new house.
ticking time bombs...
My mate is looking at a £1300 bill to sort out a couple of injectors on his 1.5 DCI clio and he has just had a kid and moved into a new house.
I recent had to replace an injector on my Volvo v70 d5. £70 for a leak back test to identify the duff injector. £150 for a recon (looked brand new) injector from a place called pf jones diesel.
20mins to fit myself.
I assume he's taken it to the main dealers and they are things hints he needs 4new injectors?
jbi said:
The injectors are only part of the cost... The ecu needs reprogrammed to suit the new injectors apparently (they are all slightly diferent)
Sounds very excessive that. If it's not too late have a look here
http://www.dieseljones.co.uk/common-rail-injectors...
As long as he knows which injector has failed and he can match the part numbers up from the above link they should be just a direct swap.
If he is paying that huge amount that should be for all of them I hope. I know that in the past if volvo diagnosed a faulty injector they would replace all 5 at c£1500.
Edited by dave_s13 on Monday 5th March 07:28
I do love PH's attitude towards diesel, just hilarious.
I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
GC8 said:
Any diesel engine can run on its own oil, it doesnt have anything to do with being turbocharged or direct injection.
The only way a naturally aspirated diesel will runaway is if it's overfilled with engine oil. Avoid that and you should be ok.Turbochargers can and do cause runaways when they fail. If the turbo's oil feed leaks into the inlet manifold the engine will run until it either runs out of oil or goes pop. It's an inherent vulnerability of turbo diesels.
Still, the mechanics screwed up in this case. They should take responsibility.
Our 2 main cars diesel A6 3.0tdi and petrol Outback 3.0rn. Both are autos now doing 12k miles pa. Annual costs as follows:
A6 Service average price £200 needs servicing every 18 months so £200 is the 12 month pro rata
Outback £350 plus a massive one every 48k miles at near £700
A6 Road Tax circa £260
Outback Road Tax £406 ish
Engine related parts nil for both
Fuel (now doing 12k pa in each car)
A6 average 36 mpg fuel cost £2163
Outback average 25 mpg fuel cost £2967
Depreciation in last 12 months according to we buy any car
A6 £1500
Outback £2200
Total Costs
A6 Diesel £4123
Outback Petrol £5923 (not including the expensive tappet service)
The Audi is quicker despite having a slightly lower power output
A6 Service average price £200 needs servicing every 18 months so £200 is the 12 month pro rata
Outback £350 plus a massive one every 48k miles at near £700
A6 Road Tax circa £260
Outback Road Tax £406 ish
Engine related parts nil for both
Fuel (now doing 12k pa in each car)
A6 average 36 mpg fuel cost £2163
Outback average 25 mpg fuel cost £2967
Depreciation in last 12 months according to we buy any car
A6 £1500
Outback £2200
Total Costs
A6 Diesel £4123
Outback Petrol £5923 (not including the expensive tappet service)
The Audi is quicker despite having a slightly lower power output
Nick1point9 said:
I do love PH's attitude towards diesel, just hilarious.
I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
What did you change from to gain £1,500 per year? When I sold my 29mpg E46 325i for a 45mpg Passat diesel I worked out that my fuel savings were around £750-£800 a year over a very similar mileage. I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
Taking reliability out of the question, there is a difference in costs that should be considered for the petrol / diesel debate. Its recon'ed to be around effectively around 2 MPG difference due to the cost of diesel being more, so factor that in but then include the increased road fund license and then you get to the costs from there.
In reality its not a massive amount and only really comes into its own when you are doing 12,000 miles or more. And diesels are only hitting their really economical stride when they are on a decent run or cruise. So running them around town is OK, but the advantages start to drop a bit. A big engined auto diesel in the city doesnt make a lot of sense, cost wise.
But, at the end of the day, if you want to save money - buy a £1000 motor and keep looking at the money you save to remind you, you dont need to spend £1,000's to save money....
In reality its not a massive amount and only really comes into its own when you are doing 12,000 miles or more. And diesels are only hitting their really economical stride when they are on a decent run or cruise. So running them around town is OK, but the advantages start to drop a bit. A big engined auto diesel in the city doesnt make a lot of sense, cost wise.
But, at the end of the day, if you want to save money - buy a £1000 motor and keep looking at the money you save to remind you, you dont need to spend £1,000's to save money....
I don't think you can generalise. All cars and engines are different, and you need to do the sums on each. Purchase cost and servicing costs of diesel can be more, but depreciation and fuel consumption less. Swings and roundabouts!
(and a turbo failure at 40,000 miles is pretty bad luck. Most cars will have turbos in the future, petrol or diesel!)
(and a turbo failure at 40,000 miles is pretty bad luck. Most cars will have turbos in the future, petrol or diesel!)
Edited by Hub on Monday 5th March 08:52
Hub said:
I don't think you can generalise. All cars and engines are different, and you need to do the sums on each. Purchase cost and servicing costs of diesel can be more, but depreciation and fuel consumption less. Swings and roundabouts!
(and a turbo failure at 40,000 miles is pretty bad luck. Most cars will have turbos in the future, petrol or diesel!)
This is exactly it. Some modern diesels are brilliant, some are mediocre. Same goes for petrols. I have owned both, had good and bad luck with both.(and a turbo failure at 40,000 miles is pretty bad luck. Most cars will have turbos in the future, petrol or diesel!)
Edited by Hub on Monday 5th March 08:52
Having said that, I did have some turbo issues with my last diesel at <35k miles. Looking for a petrol next, but that will hopefully be a turbo also. You pays your money...
Pablo16v said:
Nick1point9 said:
I do love PH's attitude towards diesel, just hilarious.
I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
What did you change from to gain £1,500 per year? When I sold my 29mpg E46 325i for a 45mpg Passat diesel I worked out that my fuel savings were around £750-£800 a year over a very similar mileage. I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
supersingle said:
GC8 said:
Any diesel engine can run on its own oil, it doesnt have anything to do with being turbocharged or direct injection.
The only way a naturally aspirated diesel will runaway is if it's overfilled with engine oil. Avoid that and you should be ok.Welshbeef said:
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Is this a code word?From my own experience modern petrol engines are no better. My then new 2003 fiesta 1.6 was the worst car I have ever owned, I spent more time in hire cars than in my own in the 4 years I had it! On the flip side I have owned 2 clio dci's and both have been utterly reliable. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff