The cost of runing a Diesel.
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doogz said:
Fair enough. I wouldn't thank you for either. Not a fan of either, for very different reasons. I pretty much agree with everything you said on the Coupe, and 170bhp in a 1.5T diesel just doesn't sound like my idea of fun. I've never driven the 120d, only the 116i and 118d.
I had a 120d M Sport (!) loaner for three days - I was impressed. Interior is a bit low rent and odd and it looks strange but it went well as was genuinely fun to drive. You really can chuck them about. I don't want one but I was impressed. I'd get a 130i or 135i if I wanted one. Somehow a diesel in a smallish car doesn't quite sit comfortably with me but it's still a good machine. Would love to try a 123d.irish boy said:
Our md is completely anti diesel. Even our ford transits are petrol as are the 4x4's used by the mechanics for the heavy trailer work (patrol 4.2 and landcruiser 4.5 etc)
Whereas my directors were responsible for the V10 and V8 Renault F1 engines and yet they both drive diesels.... I just don't understand why anyone would be "anti diesel". That's like saying you love spanners so much you are anti socket. Diesels and petrols both serve a purpose and for some jobs one is clearly better than the other.
doogz said:
TBH, i just didn't like the 1-series. I didn't like the way the interior was laid out, nothing seemed to be in quite the right place for me, hated the brakes, and the clutch, steering was nice though.
I have strange tastes though, maybe it's just me.
Well the base spec 116i I also had for a day was awful -I think engines make a big difference in them. My 335d did feel very well made and solid (and quick!) in comparison but the 120d was definitely quite fun.I have strange tastes though, maybe it's just me.
Fastdruid said:
That will be poverty spec too, add in a few options and its easily over 1500kg.
That's something that gets me - everyone wants their car "fully loaded" yet doesn't seem to notice that it means "fully heavy"Massive wheels, heavy body kit, fat seats, electric everything - it all adds up. Yet you try and find the weight of a fully loaded car compared to a base spec one - impossible.
I spent ages - and I mean AGES trying to find wheel and tyre weight data. I eventually found that the oft specced giant 19" wheels and tyres are more than 10kg per corner (rears) heavier than my 17s on non run flats. That's a HUGE amount more weight in a wheel!
Strangely manufacturers do seem reluctant to give such information - and BMW really do need to lay off the calories. Around 1500kgs for a RWD little hatch is just too much (the 135i is well over 1500kgs). The Focus RS mk2 is also guilty - FWD hatch, 1.5 tonnes. WHY?! Our is too heavy but at least it fits a fair bit of stuff inside!
doogz said:
Vladimir said:
I had a 120d M Sport (!) loaner for three days - I was impressed. Interior is a bit low rent and odd and it looks strange but it went well as was genuinely fun to drive. You really can chuck them about. I don't want one but I was impressed. I'd get a 130i or 135i if I wanted one. Somehow a diesel in a smallish car doesn't quite sit comfortably with me but it's still a good machine. Would love to try a 123d.
TBH, i just didn't like the 1-series. I didn't like the way the interior was laid out, nothing seemed to be in quite the right place for me, hated the brakes, and the clutch, steering was nice though.I have strange tastes though, maybe it's just me.
sider said:
But surely a 130 bhp 2.0 diesel SRI compared with a 120 bhp petrol SRI 1.8 is more a comparison than a 2.0 diesel against a 2.0T 'warm' saloon?
When the Insignia petrol was dropped off at work, i had a quick look on the internet at specs etc and noted that all i knew about 'my' car was that it was petrol. Quick look online and i seem to remember all Insignia petrols are turbos apart from 1 model - which was the one i ended up with. Just had a look again but Vauxhall website doesnt appear to be working properly.
Fair enough, I thought you were comparing the 160bhp diesel to the 1.8 petrol, forgot they did a 130bhp diesel When the Insignia petrol was dropped off at work, i had a quick look on the internet at specs etc and noted that all i knew about 'my' car was that it was petrol. Quick look online and i seem to remember all Insignia petrols are turbos apart from 1 model - which was the one i ended up with. Just had a look again but Vauxhall website doesnt appear to be working properly.
1bhp said:
show me then? As i said in my previous post i also have a saab 9-5 aero which returns 23mpg the way i drive it so im not just fixated on mpg. the 120d will do double that i do 30k a year without touching a motorway.Also the 120d in the real world is just as quick as the saab.The saab only comes into its own when you are WELL above legal speed limits, 95% if my driving is on roads limited to 30-40mph while sticking to the speed limit the extra power from the saab is simply not used,
The engine is currently residing in my Fiat Coupe 20VT (made by the company that invented the common rail fuel system in your diesel btw). I've done 60 fun filled miles every working day for the last 4 years and my average economy is about 29 mpg. On a motorway trip I can get low 30's without trying and there are owners that have managed high 30's driving very economically. The odd thing is even properly thrashing it the economy doesn't drop hugely.I enjoy driving, and I enjoy a performance car that sounds the part and delivers the goods and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. If I simply wanted to get to work at the lowest cost possible then a diesel would be the sensible choice, but I'd rather turn up to work with a grin on my face and a slightly thinner wallet.
Mr2Mike said:
The engine is currently residing in my Fiat Coupe 20VT (made by the company that invented the common rail fuel system in your diesel btw). I've done 60 fun filled miles every working day for the last 4 years and my average economy is about 29 mpg. On a motorway trip I can get low 30's without trying and there are owners that have managed high 30's driving very economically. The odd thing is even properly thrashing it the economy doesn't drop hugely.
I enjoy driving, and I enjoy a performance car that sounds the part and delivers the goods and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. If I simply wanted to get to work at the lowest cost possible then a diesel would be the sensible choice, but I'd rather turn up to work with a grin on my face and a slightly thinner wallet.
The fiat coupe 20vt will return low 20's if your driving it with any enthusiasm to return 30mpg you would have to drive it in a fashion where a 120d would actually be quicker.I enjoy driving, and I enjoy a performance car that sounds the part and delivers the goods and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. If I simply wanted to get to work at the lowest cost possible then a diesel would be the sensible choice, but I'd rather turn up to work with a grin on my face and a slightly thinner wallet.
Interesting how many people who are 'anti diesel' haven't driven them!
Was talking to a chap the other week who runs an 08 plate Audi A4 1.8T. Gave him a lift and he was shocked as to how much my diesel pulled. He said though he'd never had one because he thought they all sounded and went like black cabs.
Was talking to a chap the other week who runs an 08 plate Audi A4 1.8T. Gave him a lift and he was shocked as to how much my diesel pulled. He said though he'd never had one because he thought they all sounded and went like black cabs.
sider said:
Interesting how many people who are 'anti diesel' haven't driven them!
Was talking to a chap the other week who runs an 08 plate Audi A4 1.8T. Gave him a lift and he was shocked as to how much my diesel pulled. He said though he'd never had one because he thought they all sounded and went like black cabs.
That part's right at least Was talking to a chap the other week who runs an 08 plate Audi A4 1.8T. Gave him a lift and he was shocked as to how much my diesel pulled. He said though he'd never had one because he thought they all sounded and went like black cabs.
TheBurgerKing said:
The fiat coupe 20vt will return low 20's if your driving it with any enthusiasm to return 30mpg you would have to drive it in a fashion where a 120d would actually be quicker.
Incorrect, I've been through this already in another thread. My commute is half fast DCW and half twisty B road with relatively little town traffic, so it's not hard to get decent fuel figures even pressing on. I very much doubt you'd consider me a slow driver if you knew me.FWIW I used to get about 23-24mpg from my MR2 Turbo, 28mpg from my Civic VTi and my ZS180 returns low 20's doing similar speeds on the same trip. The Fiat simply gives exceptional economy for the performance.
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