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R12HCO
732 posts
28 months
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irish boy said: Our md is completely anti diesel. Even our ford transits are petrol as are the 4x4's used by the mechanics for the heavy trailer work (patrol 4.2 and landcruiser 4.5 etc) As a 21 yr old 'lad' I think its brilliant, but surely thats got to be a stupid business decision? Are they all LPG?
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1bhp
133 posts
45 months
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I have a 120d 177bhp/350nm does 40mpg no matter how hard i drive it and 45-50mpg on a run....Show me some 177bhp petrol engines that will do that and ill consider changing my daily car.
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irish boy
942 posts
105 months
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R12HCO said: As a 21 yr old 'lad' I think its brilliant, but surely thats got to be a stupid business decision? Are they all LPG? Yep all LPG. The trannies come converted from the factory and the 4x4's and cars get done upon purchase. One of the reps insisted on a diesel, since it was him only driving he was allowed...it's the only one on the fleet which is always in the garage for something (passat...out of warranty now). Current problem is diesel pouring out of the filter housing. Don't think anyone will be allowed diesel again even if it is them only driving.
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Mister3man
222 posts
16 months
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Vladimir said: I'd also choose the petrol as the diesel is a bit average and prone to killing clutches. They have a faulty pressure plate self adjuster which can fail and cause the clutch to slip but my dealer told me this part has now been upgraded. I had mine replaced and it's been fine since. Many others on Civinfo have had the same experience. But apart from that, the 2.2 is a reliable motor. Much more reliable than the Ford TDCi and Volkswagen TDi company cars we have anyway.
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Panda76
1,015 posts
19 months
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1bhp said: I have a 120d 177bhp/350nm does 40mpg no matter how hard i drive it and 45-50mpg on a run....Show me some 177bhp petrol engines that will do that and ill consider changing my daily car. True enough there.Mine is originally the 163 without a map now it's more like 198bhp and the torque about 400 or something. This morning and because since changing jobs my mileage has dropped dramatically* I do long runs home once or twice a week and once the engine is warmed up nicely hit the twisty bits. I reset the MPG comp from leaving work,warmed up through town,few miles at 80 ish on the dual and then nailed it in the twisty bits.Got close to where I live and then wind it down to a more sedate pace. Still managed 38mpg  - It will be my last diesel,it's been fun and has always felt pretty quick when I spent some 5 and a bit years using a 300tdi 90 as my toy and daily drive.It will only be my last diesel because with my mileage dropping since changing jobs I will kill a DPF.No doubt about it.
I'm still expecting another 2 to 3 years service out of this one before getting rid mind.
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Mr2Mike
9,434 posts
124 months
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1bhp said: I have a 120d 177bhp/350nm does 40mpg no matter how hard i drive it and 45-50mpg on a run....Show me some 177bhp petrol engines that will do that and ill consider changing my daily car. I can't show you a petrol engine that does that because it doesn't exist. I can show you a 220bhp petrol engine with the same displacement as your diesel, that sounds infinitely nicer, runs more smoothly, is still pulling hard at 7000 RPM, has almost as much torque as the 120D and still delivers 30mpg with ease. However if you are fixated only on economy none of these things will matter to you.
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1bhp
133 posts
45 months
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Mr2Mike said: I can't show you a petrol engine that does that because it doesn't exist. I can show you a 220bhp petrol engine with the same displacement as your diesel, that sounds infinitely nicer, runs more smoothly, is still pulling hard at 7000 RPM, has almost as much torque as the 120D and still delivers 30mpg with ease. However if you are fixated only on economy none of these things will matter to you. show me then? As i said in my previous post i also have a saab 9-5 aero which returns 23mpg the way i drive it so im not just fixated on mpg. the 120d will do double that i do 30k a year without touching a motorway.Also the 120d in the real world is just as quick as the saab.The saab only comes into its own when you are WELL above legal speed limits, 95% if my driving is on roads limited to 30-40mph while sticking to the speed limit the extra power from the saab is simply not used,
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All that jazz
2,182 posts
15 months
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frosted said: My 08 vw passat is on 100k and on original DMF ,DPF and till a month ago original injectors, car lives in london with short journeys only . Vw did tell me they will change the injectors for free and I took em up on that offer . Anyone else spot the problem with this post?
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doogz
18,667 posts
56 months
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All that jazz said: frosted said: My 08 vw passat is on 100k and on original DMF ,DPF and till a month ago original injectors, car lives in london with short journeys only . Vw did tell me they will change the injectors for free and I took em up on that offer . Anyone else spot the problem with this post? Ha, i'd call a short journey 10 miles? So He goes out for 7 of these drives a day. Every day. For 4 years.
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Vladimir
3,218 posts
27 months
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Mr2Mike said: I can't show you a petrol engine that does that because it doesn't exist. I can show you a 220bhp petrol engine with the same displacement as your diesel, that sounds infinitely nicer, runs more smoothly, is still pulling hard at 7000 RPM, has almost as much torque as the 120D and still delivers 30mpg with ease. However if you are fixated only on economy none of these things will matter to you. Ahh yes - the Fiat Coupe; giant killer of all time. Aren't Fiat silly for not continuing with this engine? It sounds like the perfect two litre to me... The reality - it sounds rough, it's unreliable, driving it with any gusto returns low 20s, the car torque steers so badly it's funny and if that doesn't fling you into a hedge, the bits that fall off will. The 120d is RWD, balanced, as quick/quicker with a simple remap, well made and a far far better ownership proposition. However if you are fixated on a car that's good to drive, none of this will matter to you... A mate had three Fiat Coupes and I thought they were grim. Took him a long time to realise the same.
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Fastdruid
1,208 posts
21 months
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Vladimir said: Mr2Mike said: I can't show you a petrol engine that does that because it doesn't exist. I can show you a 220bhp petrol engine with the same displacement as your diesel, that sounds infinitely nicer, runs more smoothly, is still pulling hard at 7000 RPM, has almost as much torque as the 120D and still delivers 30mpg with ease. However if you are fixated only on economy none of these things will matter to you. Ahh yes - the Fiat Coupe; giant killer of all time. Aren't Fiat silly for not continuing with this engine? It sounds like the perfect two litre to me... The reality - it sounds rough, it's unreliable, driving it with any gusto returns low 20s, the car torque steers so badly it's funny and if that doesn't fling you into a hedge, the bits that fall off will. The 120d is RWD, balanced, as quick/quicker with a simple remap, well made and a far far better ownership proposition. Weighs a bloody ton though. Actually, it doesn't, it weighs a ton and a half. For the smallest car in the BMW range. Insanity.
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All that jazz
2,182 posts
15 months
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doogz said: Ha, i'd call a short journey 10 miles?
So He goes out for 7 of these drives a day. Every day. For 4 years. 
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doogz
18,667 posts
56 months
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I thought single turbo diesels were crap?
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Vladimir
3,218 posts
27 months
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doogz said: I thought single turbo diesels were crap? I don't like them but I'd much rather have a 120d than a Fiat Coupe. Even if it would mean I am suddenly a wannabe Apprentice that has to tailgate everyone. Driven both - BM wins hands down.
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Vladimir
3,218 posts
27 months
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Fastdruid said: Weighs a bloody ton though.
Actually, it doesn't, it weighs a ton and a half. For the smallest car in the BMW range. Insanity. 1375kgs - a very fat person less than 1.5 tonnes.
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doogz
18,667 posts
56 months
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Vladimir said: I don't like them but I'd much rather have a 120d than a Fiat Coupe. Even if it would mean I am suddenly a wannabe Apprentice that has to tailgate everyone. Driven both - BM wins hands down. Fair enough. I wouldn't thank you for either. Not a fan of either, for very different reasons. I pretty much agree with everything you said on the Coupe, and 170bhp in a 1.5T diesel just doesn't sound like my idea of fun. I've never driven the 120d, only the 116i and 118d.
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Vladimir
3,218 posts
27 months
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doogz said: Fair enough. I wouldn't thank you for either. Not a fan of either, for very different reasons. I pretty much agree with everything you said on the Coupe, and 170bhp in a 1.5T diesel just doesn't sound like my idea of fun. I've never driven the 120d, only the 116i and 118d. I had a 120d M Sport (!) loaner for three days - I was impressed. Interior is a bit low rent and odd and it looks strange but it went well as was genuinely fun to drive. You really can chuck them about. I don't want one but I was impressed. I'd get a 130i or 135i if I wanted one. Somehow a diesel in a smallish car doesn't quite sit comfortably with me but it's still a good machine. Would love to try a 123d.
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doogz
18,667 posts
56 months
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Vladimir said: 1375kgs - a very fat person less than 1.5 tonnes. That's for the 120i according to BMW, the 120d is 1450Kg.
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Vladimir
3,218 posts
27 months
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doogz said: That's for the 120i according to BMW, the 120d is 1450Kg. Parkers says 1375 for the 120d ES. Edit - and they're wrong! BMW do have a weight problem for sure!
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Nick1point9
3,415 posts
49 months
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irish boy said: Our md is completely anti diesel. Even our ford transits are petrol as are the 4x4's used by the mechanics for the heavy trailer work (patrol 4.2 and landcruiser 4.5 etc) Whereas my directors were responsible for the V10 and V8 Renault F1 engines and yet they both drive diesels.... I just don't understand why anyone would be "anti diesel". That's like saying you love spanners so much you are anti socket. Diesels and petrols both serve a purpose and for some jobs one is clearly better than the other.
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