The cost of runing a Diesel.
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My Sister is due her new company car next week but this has had to be brought forward. Her current car is a 104k mile BMW 120d M-Sport, went into Sytner today who have told the lease company it's beyond economical repair (£1,500 for DPF was just the start apparently) It's been serviced well all it's life but has now almost died.
Meanwhile, I drive a diesel as 30k pa wouldn't be funny in a petrol.
Meanwhile, I drive a diesel as 30k pa wouldn't be funny in a petrol.
Top work from the ford agent, not exactly the "fault" of the diesel car that it cost nearly 5k to rectify, more the incompetence of the technicians involved.
This paying £500 not to drives diesel, what utter horse st, comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale, why that doesn't make sense to some on here for everyday transport still baffles me, it's not as if most "regular" 4 pot petrols are the pinnacle of engine note, character and soul anyway
Yes my main car is diesel, my work car is petrol and It sounds ok, but given the choice I'd happily swap it for a diesel equivalent tomorrow, as it would be alot cheaper to run, but alas I couldn't find a Bora TDi for £500 when I needed a car so the v5 will do for now
This paying £500 not to drives diesel, what utter horse st, comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale, why that doesn't make sense to some on here for everyday transport still baffles me, it's not as if most "regular" 4 pot petrols are the pinnacle of engine note, character and soul anyway
Yes my main car is diesel, my work car is petrol and It sounds ok, but given the choice I'd happily swap it for a diesel equivalent tomorrow, as it would be alot cheaper to run, but alas I couldn't find a Bora TDi for £500 when I needed a car so the v5 will do for now
FunBusMk2 said:
My Sister is due her new company car next week but this has had to be brought forward. Her current car is a 104k mile BMW 120d M-Sport, went into Sytner today who have told the lease company it's beyond economical repair (£1,500 for DPF was just the start apparently) It's been serviced well all it's life but has now almost died.
Really? Must be pretty catastrophic to write off one of these. Strong residuals on 120d M-Sport no?martin mrt said:
comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale
If the 320d was nicer to drive than the 320i then the 320i may have been broken? I've driven both and the jerky un-refined power delivery of cars like the 320d, the A4 1.9tdi, the Passat 1.9tdi, etc makes diesels a choice of cost saving only. It seems there are people on here who claim they chose the diesel version as it's "better" not because it's cheaper. I struggle with this concept. If you comnpare a crap diesel with a good petrol then the petrol car is better
If you compare a crap petrol car with a good diesel then the diesel car is better
You cannot make sweeping statements about diesel being better than petrol or vice versa as its really specific to the make, model, drivetrain, useage and personal priorities.
So these threads always end up being an argument based on subjective criteria and hence are totally meaningless!
If you compare a crap petrol car with a good diesel then the diesel car is better
You cannot make sweeping statements about diesel being better than petrol or vice versa as its really specific to the make, model, drivetrain, useage and personal priorities.
So these threads always end up being an argument based on subjective criteria and hence are totally meaningless!
toon10 said:
martin mrt said:
comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale
If the 320d was nicer to drive than the 320i then the 320i may have been broken? I've driven both and the jerky un-refined power delivery of cars like the 320d, the A4 1.9tdi, the Passat 1.9tdi, etc makes diesels a choice of cost saving only. It seems there are people on here who claim they chose the diesel version as it's "better" not because it's cheaper. I struggle with this concept. You cant compare the vag 1.9's with the bmw 2 litre derv imo.The vag 1.9's are bloody awful.Flat and powerless engines,more so when chucked in the front end of an avant.
The only bmw derv you can lob in the same category as the 1.9 is the early bmw 1.8d.Awful engine.
When I was shopping for derv estates I had specfically gone out to test drive Audi and passat.
I bought bmw.
You really can tell the difference between the vag derv and bmw derv when driving.Bmw derv is better on fuel too.
As for fun driving?
Yep I can still have fun driving in twisty bits (remembering it is an estate car,although it doesnt always feel like one) keeping it in the torque band and keeping on top of the turbo you can chuck it about a bit.
As for being quicker than the similar same age petrol version? It is.
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LayZ said:
FunBusMk2 said:
My Sister is due her new company car next week but this has had to be brought forward. Her current car is a 104k mile BMW 120d M-Sport, went into Sytner today who have told the lease company it's beyond economical repair (£1,500 for DPF was just the start apparently) It's been serviced well all it's life but has now almost died.
Really? Must be pretty catastrophic to write off one of these. Strong residuals on 120d M-Sport no?I asked about buying it off the lease company when my Sister ordered her new car - they wanted £9k. It does have the 18s, leather, rear tints, heated seats and is a five door but cosmetically it's knackered. It's a 57 plate.
Personally I do think Diesels have there place...............
on a farm pulling a plough :-)
Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
on a farm pulling a plough :-)
Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
stargazer30 said:
Personally I do think Diesels have there place...............
on a farm pulling a plough :-)
Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
For Mrs B's car, her petrol 3.0 costs much more to run than my diesel 3.0 doing the same mileage and the same type of driving (figures above somewhere)on a farm pulling a plough :-)
Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
Audi have diesel race cars, they keep winning at Le Mans in them. Are they not performance cars? They are bloody quick, and make the petrols look slow.
doogz said:
blueg33 said:
You missed the point. You cannot say that they are not performance cars.
They are most definitely performance cars. They are not road cars though. So bear about as much relevance to the discussion as tractors, container ships and trains.stargazer said:
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
stargazer30 said:
Personally I do think Diesels have there place...............
on a farm pulling a plough :-)
Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
I think it's you sir that needs the re education, there are many diesel cars available now that can match and surpass other "performance" orientated vehicles. on a farm pulling a plough :-)
Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
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