The cost of runing a Diesel.

The cost of runing a Diesel.

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FunBusMk2

17,911 posts

217 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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My Sister is due her new company car next week but this has had to be brought forward. Her current car is a 104k mile BMW 120d M-Sport, went into Sytner today who have told the lease company it's beyond economical repair (£1,500 for DPF was just the start apparently) It's been serviced well all it's life but has now almost died.

Meanwhile, I drive a diesel as 30k pa wouldn't be funny in a petrol.

martin mrt

3,768 posts

200 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Top work from the ford agent, not exactly the "fault" of the diesel car that it cost nearly 5k to rectify, more the incompetence of the technicians involved.

This paying £500 not to drives diesel, what utter horse st, comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale, why that doesn't make sense to some on here for everyday transport still baffles me, it's not as if most "regular" 4 pot petrols are the pinnacle of engine note, character and soul anyway

Yes my main car is diesel, my work car is petrol and It sounds ok, but given the choice I'd happily swap it for a diesel equivalent tomorrow, as it would be alot cheaper to run, but alas I couldn't find a Bora TDi for £500 when I needed a car so the v5 will do for now




Fastdruid

8,623 posts

151 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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After my experience with the 318d I'd rather flop my wedding tackle into a lion's mouth while flicking
his love spuds with a wet towel than drive a 320d.

StottyZr

6,860 posts

162 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Fastdruid said:
After my experience with the 318d I'd rather flop my wedding tackle into a lion's mouth while flicking
his love spuds with a wet towel than drive a 320d.
A fantasy of yours maybe scratchchin

LayZ

1,619 posts

241 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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FunBusMk2 said:
My Sister is due her new company car next week but this has had to be brought forward. Her current car is a 104k mile BMW 120d M-Sport, went into Sytner today who have told the lease company it's beyond economical repair (£1,500 for DPF was just the start apparently) It's been serviced well all it's life but has now almost died.
Really? Must be pretty catastrophic to write off one of these. Strong residuals on 120d M-Sport no?

toon10

6,140 posts

156 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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martin mrt said:
comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale
If the 320d was nicer to drive than the 320i then the 320i may have been broken? I've driven both and the jerky un-refined power delivery of cars like the 320d, the A4 1.9tdi, the Passat 1.9tdi, etc makes diesels a choice of cost saving only. It seems there are people on here who claim they chose the diesel version as it's "better" not because it's cheaper. I struggle with this concept.

blueg33

35,576 posts

223 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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If you comnpare a crap diesel with a good petrol then the petrol car is better

If you compare a crap petrol car with a good diesel then the diesel car is better

You cannot make sweeping statements about diesel being better than petrol or vice versa as its really specific to the make, model, drivetrain, useage and personal priorities.

So these threads always end up being an argument based on subjective criteria and hence are totally meaningless!

Panda76

2,569 posts

149 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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toon10 said:
martin mrt said:
comparing a 320i and a 320d for a proper apples with apples comparison, the diesel drives nicer, it's better on fuel, faster and worth considerably more come resale
If the 320d was nicer to drive than the 320i then the 320i may have been broken? I've driven both and the jerky un-refined power delivery of cars like the 320d, the A4 1.9tdi, the Passat 1.9tdi, etc makes diesels a choice of cost saving only. It seems there are people on here who claim they chose the diesel version as it's "better" not because it's cheaper. I struggle with this concept.
Jerky power delivery? What are you doing with your right foot lol?
You cant compare the vag 1.9's with the bmw 2 litre derv imo.The vag 1.9's are bloody awful.Flat and powerless engines,more so when chucked in the front end of an avant.
The only bmw derv you can lob in the same category as the 1.9 is the early bmw 1.8d.Awful engine.

When I was shopping for derv estates I had specfically gone out to test drive Audi and passat.
I bought bmw.
You really can tell the difference between the vag derv and bmw derv when driving.Bmw derv is better on fuel too.

As for fun driving?
Yep I can still have fun driving in twisty bits (remembering it is an estate car,although it doesnt always feel like one) keeping it in the torque band and keeping on top of the turbo you can chuck it about a bit.

As for being quicker than the similar same age petrol version? It is.
MY 56

FunBusMk2

17,911 posts

217 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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LayZ said:
FunBusMk2 said:
My Sister is due her new company car next week but this has had to be brought forward. Her current car is a 104k mile BMW 120d M-Sport, went into Sytner today who have told the lease company it's beyond economical repair (£1,500 for DPF was just the start apparently) It's been serviced well all it's life but has now almost died.
Really? Must be pretty catastrophic to write off one of these. Strong residuals on 120d M-Sport no?
It must be, she didn't know what else it was. Thing is, in the 30k miles she's had it, it's been to Sytner for just routine servicing, and went through another main dealer before that.

I asked about buying it off the lease company when my Sister ordered her new car - they wanted £9k. It does have the 18s, leather, rear tints, heated seats and is a five door but cosmetically it's knackered. It's a 57 plate.

Fire99

9,844 posts

228 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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As a balancing point, the 2.4 JTD Alfa 156 I test drove, had a pretty decent engine. Lots of grunt and actually quite a nice engine note from the 5-pot.
I'd still consider an immaculate 156 Sporthatch 2.4 (for my sins smile )

Harji

2,196 posts

160 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Devil2575 said:
Sadly a car that serves a purpose is all i can afford to run at the moment frown
I hear you brother, I am fortunate to run two cars but people do forget that many ppl cam only run a work horse and dream fir the time being about the second car.

Fastdruid

8,623 posts

151 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Some modern GDI's suffer something rotten from carbon build up. Audi's, BMW's and Mazda's certainly are known to suffer. Leads to power loss and 'running like a diesel' wink

As an example

40k BMW 335i


28k Audi 2.0t


36k Mazda 6 MPS


Against a conventional port injection 180k saturn

Fire99

9,844 posts

228 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Gaz. said:
Likewise, would happily have one of those if I needed a bigger car smile
Don't know if you've driven one but the 156 isn't that big. I was surprised just how diddy the load space was in the sporthatch. I'd still forgive it though. Very Very pretty!

stargazer30

1,582 posts

165 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Personally I do think Diesels have there place...............

on a farm pulling a plough :-)

Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.

People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.

blueg33

35,576 posts

223 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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stargazer30 said:
Personally I do think Diesels have there place...............

on a farm pulling a plough :-)

Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.

People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
For Mrs B's car, her petrol 3.0 costs much more to run than my diesel 3.0 doing the same mileage and the same type of driving (figures above somewhere)

Audi have diesel race cars, they keep winning at Le Mans in them. Are they not performance cars? They are bloody quick, and make the petrols look slow.

Fire99

9,844 posts

228 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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blueg33 said:
Audi have diesel race cars, they keep winning at Le Mans in them. Are they not performance cars? They are bloody quick, and make the petrols look slow.
Based around specific regulations of the race series. It's not a simple petrol v diesel competition in that case.

blueg33

35,576 posts

223 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Fire99 said:
Based around specific regulations of the race series. It's not a simple petrol v diesel competition in that case.
You missed the point. You cannot say that they are not performance cars.

blueg33

35,576 posts

223 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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doogz said:
blueg33 said:
You missed the point. You cannot say that they are not performance cars.
They are most definitely performance cars. They are not road cars though. So bear about as much relevance to the discussion as tractors, container ships and trains.
It was a response to this

stargazer said:
People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.

martin mrt

3,768 posts

200 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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stargazer30 said:
Personally I do think Diesels have there place...............

on a farm pulling a plough :-)

Seriously though they are a good idea for high milers, company cars or anything where its covered by a bullet proof warrenty. For average school run mum or Joe on average earnings to commute doing average or less miles petrol is probably the safer option IMO.

People who use performance car and diesel in the same sentence need re-educating.
I think it's you sir that needs the re education, there are many diesel cars available now that can match and surpass other "performance" orientated vehicles.

Fire99

9,844 posts

228 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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blueg33 said:
You missed the point. You cannot say that they are not performance cars.
Well yes, they certainly can be. Why they make 'em is a bigger issue though smile