Re: PH Blog: Golf GTD eight years apart

Re: PH Blog: Golf GTD eight years apart

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dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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dapearson said:
My leon has the 2.0 TDI engine, though only in 140bhp guise. The highest mpg i've managed to squeeze out of it is about 53mpg, but that was on a long run at around 50mph. Cruising at 70mph on a dual carriageway gives around 42-44mpg. It really isn't great on fuel at all.

My old Golf 1.9 TDI with the 115 PD engine had much longer gearing and would do 50-55 mpg all day long. That's what i was hoping for from the Leon as the CO2 and manufacturer MPG figures backed that up.

C'est la vie
You really don't know how to drive it then. My 140pd leon dsg is AMD mapped (185bhp and 300lb/ft) and my run to work which is a 1/3 town, 1/3 A14 and a 1/3 back roads totalling a round trip of 40miles a day i easily manage 48-49 mpg and thats with a serious prod of the throttle now and then.
At a steady 70mph(gps not speedo as 70 gps is around 75mph on my speedo) i get over 50mpg. Something wrong with your leon?
Recent run to Brummy at 50mph due to heavy traffic i avg 65mpg.


Edited by dukebox9reg on Wednesday 7th March 10:17

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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bbackhouse said:
"The engine sounds the same with the familiar VW common rail diesel noise"

Only the newer mk6 2.0 TDI's are Common Rail (CR) hence why they are referred to as the 2.0 140CR and 2.0 170CR. The mk5 2.0 TDI's (like your original) were Pumpe Düse (PD) referred to as 2.0 140PD and 2.0 170PD.

New newer CR engines are much more refined from my experience unless my 140PD is particularly rattly!
Shhh, nobody had noticed until you said....... hehe

In all seriousness, I felt the engine sound was very similar to my old car from inside the cabin. It's not unpleasant but it's there all the same. Certainly not as rattly as some.

With regards to economy, I reckon you could coax way more from the GTD, but that wave of torque is all to easy to exploit with a boot-full of accelerator. Addictive.

SSBB

695 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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dapearson said:
My leon has the 2.0 TDI engine, though only in 140bhp guise. The highest mpg i've managed to squeeze out of it is about 53mpg, but that was on a long run at around 50mph. Cruising at 70mph on a dual carriageway gives around 42-44mpg. It really isn't great on fuel at all.

My old Golf 1.9 TDI with the 115 PD engine had much longer gearing and would do 50-55 mpg all day long. That's what i was hoping for from the Leon as the CO2 and manufacturer MPG figures backed that up.

C'est la vie
Wow. I've had slightly better than that out a 3.0 bi-turbo diesel V6 (if driving like a berk, at indicated 52mph on the motorway). Poor show Seat.

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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SSBB said:
Wow. I've had slightly better than that out a 3.0 bi-turbo diesel V6 (if driving like a berk, at indicated 52mph on the motorway). Poor show Seat.
Hey nothing wrong with my 140pd as stated slighty above. Historically the pd170s are known for poor MPG performance due to being fitted with a DPF etc. My mapped 140 which has a considerable extra bit of poke then a 170 out performs my mate standard 170 on fuel. DPFs are evil

SSBB

695 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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dukebox9reg said:
Hey nothing wrong with my 140pd as stated slighty above. Historically the pd170s are known for poor MPG performance due to being fitted with a DPF etc. My mapped 140 which has a considerable extra bit of poke then a 170 out performs my mate standard 170 on fuel. DPFs are evil
Has DPF technology moved on then? Maybe those seats are shorter geared for performance. I do wonder what these new 8 speed diesels can squeeze out on a run.

masermartin

1,629 posts

177 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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My thoughts on my 130PD Bora:

  • Very clattery
  • Occasionally likes to hide the following car in a cloud of smoke if I boot it
  • More than adequate performance even with 3 or 4 up
  • Very economical (45mpg average with short trips, get the traffic conditions right and a 40 mile commute into/out of west London sees nearly 60mpg each way, got to love 60mph in 6th, going with the flow on the motorways)
  • Terrible at power delivery (nothing below 1500, then *wallop* everything arrives at 1800 and tails off after 2500
  • Boring as sin
  • Reliable and comfortable
So pretty much ideal as a daily hack, frankly, but not much fun unless you're playing the "Suffocate the BMW driver with a cloud of smoke" game.

ETA: Garlick, how did you find the reliability and build of your Mk5? I think on that front, you're probably better off in general with the new car than the old(er) one. Anecdotally I've heard lots of horror stories about Mk5's and the equivalent era Jettas.

ETA: Also very cheap to service with the long-life intervals ...

Edited by masermartin on Wednesday 7th March 11:01

va1o

16,032 posts

207 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Can see why they've changed it so little, no need to mess with a formula that work so well.

mocca

320 posts

155 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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I've a few 2.0 tdi VAG products and found them all to do (almost) what they said on the tin, with 50mpg+ not too difficult to achieve with liberal application of go. Nice to sit in but terminally dull.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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mocca said:
I've a few 2.0 tdi VAG products and found them all to do (almost) what they said on the tin, with 50mpg+ not too difficult to achieve with liberal application of go. Nice to sit in but terminally dull.
That's true enough.

However, after our time with this car the Mrs and I agreed that we would quite like one in the fleet. So much so that I have been looking in the classifieds for a used example.

Raoul Duke

929 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Will chip in with my thoughts on the mk6 GTD.
Have been running one for 2 1/2 yrs now without incident, and the performance and economy are both pretty much as VW claim. It pulls well throughout the rev range in all gears, making progress effortless - perfect for day to day use.
Its easy enough to get 40mpg around town and 50+ on a run - this is done with roof bars permanently affixed on mine, so could be improved and whilst i dont travel everywere flat out, nor do i drive like a saint.
The 170 Engine is also markedly different to the earlier PD in the mk5 - its smoother, possibly in part due to better cabin insulation - and less peaky. Nothing wrong with the PD really, but drive them back to back and you'll know what i mean. Whilst the 130 and 150 engines fitted to the mk4 golf ( and Bora ) were very good for their time, being one of the first truly quickish diesels, they are a few generations apart now and it shows.
As for the cabin, the mk6 is no more solid than the mk5 and the layout is near identical, but the feel and quality of the materials certainly feels more upmarket and modern.

mocca

320 posts

155 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Garlick said:
mocca said:
I've a few 2.0 tdi VAG products and found them all to do (almost) what they said on the tin, with 50mpg+ not too difficult to achieve with liberal application of go. Nice to sit in but terminally dull.
That's true enough.

However, after our time with this car the Mrs and I agreed that we would quite like one in the fleet. So much so that I have been looking in the classifieds for a used example.
Ditto, if I get out of the company car loop I shall definitely be looking for one as it is the perfect thing for ambling about. I've found the 1.9 to be inferior.

excel monkey

4,545 posts

227 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Garlick said:
That's true enough.

However, after our time with this car the Mrs and I agreed that we would quite like one in the fleet. So much so that I have been looking in the classifieds for a used example.
That's quite a change of outlook, given your recent car history!

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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excel monkey said:
That's quite a change of outlook, given your recent car history!
It would be an addition. A car for madam to use as she finds the Lexus too big and I haven't added her to the insurance for the TVR hehe

Garett

1,626 posts

192 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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That MPG is pretty poor considering its just a 2.0 4 pot diesel. I suppose its good when compared with the petrol GTi.

frosted

3,549 posts

177 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Garett said:
That MPG is pretty poor considering its just a 2.0 4 pot diesel. I suppose its good when compared with the petrol GTi.
It's even good for a 2l petrol or a 1.6 petrol or a 1.2 petrol . Still not sure where that picture was taken, I say Battersea park ?

WorAl

10,877 posts

188 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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blearyeyedboy said:
High 30's mpg?

When the GTi can do mid 30's, why go for diesel? Or were you "making progress" a lot, Garlick?
I was thinking the same, the worst I get in my Bora(ing?) 1.9 150 TDI is 42-43 and I do keep my foot down a hell of a lot. Cruising speed it barely drops below 50mpg. So is the older engine not only quicker, but it's also better on fuel? Think I'll stick to the 1.9.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

249 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Garlick said:
excel monkey said:
That's quite a change of outlook, given your recent car history!
It would be an addition. A car for madam to use as she finds the Lexus too big and I haven't added her to the insurance for the TVR hehe
welcome to the dark side

mwahahahahaha!

Hub

6,434 posts

198 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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The Moose said:
I like how your head is cut off by the PH banner in the full size pic
hehe Almost like he is ashamed of being seen next to a boggo Golf TDI on a site that likes to collectively indulge in quite a lot of Golf-bashing!

Itsallicanafford

2,765 posts

159 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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...i think both of you have aged very gracefully, oh hang on a minute, the BMW 3 series testing day was last Thursday and not tomorrow....Pair of old duffers...

sleep envy

62,260 posts

249 months

Wednesday 7th March 2012
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Hub said:
hehe Almost like he is ashamed of being seen next to a boggo Golf TDI on a site that likes to collectively indulge in quite a lot of Golf-bashing!
He got enough of a piss taking on his bookface page to have known this wouldn't go down too well biggrin