RE: OAP drivers: a liability?
Discussion
heebeegeetee said:
Firstly I don't believe that story, but lax standards? We have the safest roads in the world so how much better would you like us to be?
Younger drivers are better at passing tests but have more accidents. Older drivers might struggle with the cognitive processes of passing a test but have fewer accidents.
Re-testing could very easily push the accident *rate* up.
The figures according to the former minister of transport suggest that OAPs have nearly as many accidents as young drivers, but when you consider that they do considerably less mileage, it doesn't take a genius to do the math.Younger drivers are better at passing tests but have more accidents. Older drivers might struggle with the cognitive processes of passing a test but have fewer accidents.
Re-testing could very easily push the accident *rate* up.
Young drivers are more likely to be involved in high speed, high cost accidents, involving mostly themselves and other cars.
OAP's are more likely to be involved in low speed, low cost accidents, mostly involving pedestrians, bikers and cyclists.
lyonspride said:
The figures according to the former minister of transport suggest that OAPs have nearly as many accidents as young drivers, but when you consider that they do considerably less mileage, it doesn't take a genius to do the math.
Young drivers are more likely to be involved in high speed, high cost accidents, involving mostly themselves and other cars.
OAP's are more likely to be involved in low speed, low cost accidents, mostly involving pedestrians, bikers and cyclists.
I'd like to see those figures, 'cos that's not something I have seen before.Young drivers are more likely to be involved in high speed, high cost accidents, involving mostly themselves and other cars.
OAP's are more likely to be involved in low speed, low cost accidents, mostly involving pedestrians, bikers and cyclists.
I would imagine that it's only the OAPs who are very near the end of retaining their cognitive skills who are having the bumps.
OAPs are far better at self-policng too, I think. They're aware of their short-comings and drive accordingly, whereas at the other end of the age range they all think they're driving gods.
heebeegeetee said:
lyonspride said:
The figures according to the former minister of transport suggest that OAPs have nearly as many accidents as young drivers, but when you consider that they do considerably less mileage, it doesn't take a genius to do the math.
Young drivers are more likely to be involved in high speed, high cost accidents, involving mostly themselves and other cars.
OAP's are more likely to be involved in low speed, low cost accidents, mostly involving pedestrians, bikers and cyclists.
I'd like to see those figures, 'cos that's not something I have seen before.Young drivers are more likely to be involved in high speed, high cost accidents, involving mostly themselves and other cars.
OAP's are more likely to be involved in low speed, low cost accidents, mostly involving pedestrians, bikers and cyclists.
I would imagine that it's only the OAPs who are very near the end of retaining their cognitive skills who are having the bumps.
OAPs are far better at self-policng too, I think. They're aware of their short-comings and drive accordingly, whereas at the other end of the age range they all think they're driving gods.
I've found fragments of information, i've saved URLs linking to this information, but many of these have disappeared as though they never existed.
SOME can be accessed if I bounce through a proxy server over in somewhere like Sweden, but I'm fairly convinced that a lot of content is being blocked within UK borders (not just on this subject obviously).
I think that due to Political correctness they've been hidden away, the comments from the former transport minister are quotes, they appear in a handful of articles available around the web (also very hard to find, even my searching for the exact text), the govt accident figures seem to skirt around the subject and present the data in a format which makes it difficult to get any exact figures from them.
I've been looking at this for a while, America has been cracking down on OAP drivers for decades (it's actually very high priority in many states), but here in the UK we seem to insist that they're saints? There's something wrong there, how could our elderly be any different to those across the pond?
It's only very recently that the media/news have been publishing stories about accidents caused by elderly drivers, years ago it was always some boyracer killing himself, now it's turning toward the elderly drivers ploughing through bus stops, I cannot believe for one second that they've suddenly become a liability.... Either they're not a liability OR they have always been!
We need the truth, we're not seeing the truth and I for one would like to know why!
Edited by lyonspride on Monday 19th March 11:23
Edited by lyonspride on Monday 19th March 11:24
lyonspride said:
I'd like to see the figures too and believe me I have searched and searched and searched.
I've found fragments of information, i've saved URLs linking to this information, but many of these have disappeared as though they never existed.
SOME can be accessed if I bounce through a proxy server over in somewhere like Sweden, but I'm fairly convinced that a lot of content is being blocked within UK borders (not just on this subject obviously).
I think you've strayed into tinfoil hat country I've found fragments of information, i've saved URLs linking to this information, but many of these have disappeared as though they never existed.
SOME can be accessed if I bounce through a proxy server over in somewhere like Sweden, but I'm fairly convinced that a lot of content is being blocked within UK borders (not just on this subject obviously).
If the powers that be wanted to suppress anything it would be how to make an IED, not how to drive like an OAP.UnderTheRadar said:
lyonspride said:
I'd like to see the figures too and believe me I have searched and searched and searched.
I've found fragments of information, i've saved URLs linking to this information, but many of these have disappeared as though they never existed.
SOME can be accessed if I bounce through a proxy server over in somewhere like Sweden, but I'm fairly convinced that a lot of content is being blocked within UK borders (not just on this subject obviously).
I think you've strayed into tinfoil hat country I've found fragments of information, i've saved URLs linking to this information, but many of these have disappeared as though they never existed.
SOME can be accessed if I bounce through a proxy server over in somewhere like Sweden, but I'm fairly convinced that a lot of content is being blocked within UK borders (not just on this subject obviously).
If the powers that be wanted to suppress anything it would be how to make an IED, not how to drive like an OAP.But when censorship really moves out of the shadows, we're going to wonder what the hell hit us, as the internet turns into a pure advertising medium controlled completely by the media, govt and big corporations.
It's happening right now, most people don't know about it because the media never mentions it. The EU are passing laws that'll limit the internet freedom of every single one of us, under the guise of stopping piracy.... Communist Europe.
The worst drivers are those with no licences or insurance but as usual, go for the easier target the fully legal driver as they are easier to trace.
Once they bring in compulsory retests they will soon make them compulsory for all drivers every 5 years or so,no wonder ADI's are rubbing there hands because of this.
If you think I am talking rubbish ask any plant driver who has to regularly throw money at the CPCS or HGV driver who has to do a weeks retraining every 5 years.Good to see the government creating jobs not so good having to pay for them.
Once they bring in compulsory retests they will soon make them compulsory for all drivers every 5 years or so,no wonder ADI's are rubbing there hands because of this.
If you think I am talking rubbish ask any plant driver who has to regularly throw money at the CPCS or HGV driver who has to do a weeks retraining every 5 years.Good to see the government creating jobs not so good having to pay for them.
weekbladder said:
The worst drivers are those with no licences or insurance but as usual, go for the easier target the fully legal driver as they are easier to trace.
Once they bring in compulsory retests they will soon make them compulsory for all drivers every 5 years or so,no wonder ADI's are rubbing there hands because of this.
That is why it should be a simple safe driving asessment for 30 mins done in the drivers own car for a fixed fee to cover the asessors time - no great expenseOnce they bring in compulsory retests they will soon make them compulsory for all drivers every 5 years or so,no wonder ADI's are rubbing there hands because of this.
If I can get the feel of what of driver is like within 10 mins then an ADI or an advanced driving observer/tutor should be able to as well
Found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ipm/2008/09/some_statis...
Unfortunately it's not the source I originally found some years back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4zKUNTYmuU
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ipm/2008/09/some_statis...
Unfortunately it's not the source I originally found some years back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4zKUNTYmuU
Edited by lyonspride on Tuesday 20th March 11:47
Pilots have to have a medical certificate, proof of recent experience and/or a mini test every year. Why should it be any different for drivers? Especially given that driving accident rates are much higher and driving licenses are easier to get. Whether or not you think legal, licensed drivers are the problem, how can it be bad to ensure that their standard of driving remains high?
I agree that the worst drivers are the unlicensed ones, that is fairly self explanatory, but it's not relevant to this discussion. That's an enforcement issue.
I agree that the worst drivers are the unlicensed ones, that is fairly self explanatory, but it's not relevant to this discussion. That's an enforcement issue.
An old duffer in a brand new Ford Ka pulled out in front of me on the A75 near Stranraer on Saturday - I was travelling at just under 60mph at the time and they did not accelerate. Cue VERY heavy braking, ABS the lot and prayer. How I didn't smack the back of their car I have no idea.
The end result would've been pretty messy if there had been a collision, given we were both in two small relatively unsafe cars (the Ka would probably have faired better than my Picanto though)
The end result would've been pretty messy if there had been a collision, given we were both in two small relatively unsafe cars (the Ka would probably have faired better than my Picanto though)
thinfourth2 said:
I had a young lad almost have a head on collision while over taking me today
I think we should make them sit a test at least once a week
It's the complete obliviousness of older drivers that is the issue though - the young lad would've no doubt been sI think we should make them sit a test at least once a week
tting himself when he realised he'd made an arse of it. The guy that pulled out on me still didn't know I was there until I overtook him with my hand still on the hornthinfourth2 said:
I had a young lad almost have a head on collision while over taking me today
I think we should make them sit a test at least once a week
I find nobody ever really overtakes me, as I do the speed limit everywhere and I employ vehicle body language that suggests im not a dawdler. I know my car has a lot to do with it though, if I drive the GFs Ford KA, no matter what speed I do, there's always someone who simply has to get past..... People make assumptions about the driver, based on the car they drive.I think we should make them sit a test at least once a week
lyonspride said:
I find nobody ever really overtakes me, as I do the speed limit everywhere and I employ vehicle body language that suggests im not a dawdler. I know my car has a lot to do with it though, if I drive the GFs Ford KA, no matter what speed I do, there's always someone who simply has to get past..... People make assumptions about the driver, based on the car they drive.
Absolutely - I made the same journey in a rented Astra 1.4 that I did in the Picanto - far more TDI wkers put themselves in danger to pass me in the Picanto whilst I was travelling at the speed limit.Best thing is the Astra was actually slower due to weighing as much as a small country.
An old thread, but still. A woman in her 80's came straight out of a junction into the main road, only trouble was driving down the main road at the time.
http://106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?24754...
absolutely heart broken.
http://106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?24754...
absolutely heart broken.
I saw a great bit of classic Dorset driving this week.
Followed a Corsa then a Jazz through a village (both driven by old folk). When we exited the village the Jazz overtook the Corsa at about 45 mph to the Corsa's 40, meaning the overtake took them perilously close to a brow.
Having completed this overtake the Jazz turned off about 300 yards later.
I followed the old lady in the Corsa to a set of traffic lights on red, which she drove straight through, neatly passing in front of a tractor emerging from the junction.
Followed a Corsa then a Jazz through a village (both driven by old folk). When we exited the village the Jazz overtook the Corsa at about 45 mph to the Corsa's 40, meaning the overtake took them perilously close to a brow.
Having completed this overtake the Jazz turned off about 300 yards later.
I followed the old lady in the Corsa to a set of traffic lights on red, which she drove straight through, neatly passing in front of a tractor emerging from the junction.
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