VAG TDI 1.9 PD engine failures

[Mabbs9]

I'm on 155k on my bxe. I think that's not bad. Previous car went to 193k before an accident wrote it off. There's clearly a problem here but it doesn't mean they will certainly fail at lower mileage.

The current one gets driven gently and does a little over 800miles on a tank. Which is nice.

[skene]

I'm looking at getting a 2005 mk5 golf this weekend with the 105 engine.

From what I can tell from this thread, being a 2005 it should be okay?

[The Transplanter]

Before anyone panics about buying a VW TDI PD engined car, this problem only affects the last of the 8v 1.9 engines BLS & BKE engine codes.

All other 8v PD's are pretty much bomb proof.

Because of this problem second hand BLS & BKE engines fetch a premium and are over priced compared to the older (better) engines. So why would you fit a direct replacement when you could replace with the earlier better engines?

I have done a write up on the swap on the VW Caddy forum as the BLS is very common in those, if your interested to see whats involved then look here http://www.vwcaddy.com/showthread.php?80406-quot-H...

[pstruck]

The Transplanter said:

Before anyone panics about buying a VW TDI PD engined car, this problem only affects the last of the 8v 1.9 engines BLS & BKE engine codes.

Do you mean BXE? That seems to be the one most on here and elsewhere have mentioned.

[Jim Campbell]

Still going strong. Regularly takes me beyond 100 leptons(mostly with newtons help) At the last service the mechanic told me it's quite dirty on the inside of the engine ie lots of carbon build up on the back of the valves. Might try to run some biofuel through it, that cleans it out doesn't it?

[skene]

Jim Campbell said:

Still going strong. Regularly takes me beyond 100 leptons(mostly with newtons help) At the last service the mechanic told me it's quite dirty on the inside of the engine ie lots of carbon build up on the back of the valves. Might try to run some biofuel through it, that cleans it out doesn't it?

Holy st

What age/engine? A BXE?!

[Jim Campbell]

skene said:

Holy st

What age/engine? A BXE?!

BKC. That's km so about 186k miles.

Any wisdom on my biofuel musings?

[aw51 121565]

The fuel is injected into the combustion chamber, which is on the wrong side of the backs of the inlet valves for 'cleaning' purposes .

[The Transplanter]

pstruck said:

Do you mean BXE? That seems to be the one most on here and elsewhere have mentioned.

Sorry, yeah that was a typo

[maddypoppins]

Another one to the list, engine BXEB54317. Our 09 plate VW Golf Estate had the same problem last Monday evening, again no warning at all, just died, without the lovely lights on the dashboard showing any error. Its been to the VW garage today, conrod on cylinder 1 has gone through the block, lad in the garage asked if it made a noise beforehand, but as everyone on here says, no warning whatsoever. A new engine can be fitted for £7604, and VW won't make any good will contribution. I've been on to VW myself and i'm awaiting a call back. We bought the car from a VW dealer wtih VW finance as an ex demonstrator, it had its first 3 services with VW and then to our local garage. The reason for not helping is the mileage (just about 16k per year) and that it hasn't been fully serviced by VW. What a rip off, you have to pay the inflated price for their servicing just to keep up the warranty, what you don't expect is a diesel engine to pack up after 100k miles. Clearly not good customers, i'm onto my second Polo, son had a Lupo and this Golf, they certainly won't be getting any more of my hard earned money.
Good job it happened on a quiet road at nighttime. If it had been on a motorway or pulling off a roundabout it could have been serious.

[crossy67]

I have a good friend/customer who has been offered a cheap Passat with the BXE engine in.

For those in the know, is there any point in changing the big end shells as a preventative measure? I have seen (possibly on here) photos of BXE shells that have started delaminating, could this be the ultimate cause for failures?

[Pentoman]

And another one. 2008 Golf.



Looking at the metals, some of it had slowly failed and worn smooth.

These were so good in the 1990s - early 2000s.

[Billyboy6289]

Hi, iv had the 1.9 tdi 105 engines 3 times now golf 08, golf plus 57and audi a3 57 and defo these engines are a lot weaker than the old 1.9 tdi 130 before the year 04, the 130 was a solid bullet proof engine and solid garret turbos, after 54 reg the quality of the turbos used and the head was not as tough as the 130 pd previous head and the 105 is prone to more warping and softening of the head andunder high pressure and heat, also their turbos on the 105 were weak and can go into limp mode more often, despite regularly servicing and using recommended long life oil in it. On my 08 mk5 golf tdi 105 wich was driven since 89,000 to 152,000 until the piston pierced the head resulting in engine breakdown it did have timing belt changed in between. VAG vw audi group, have skimped on quality on turbos and their metal used on the engine heads due to their older 130 PD being solid bullet proof engines, VAG wernt making enough money on parts being sold cos of them being solid, so therefore they changed the head and turbos to a lower quality so parts could get sold more, and VAG makes more money. The older 130 pd engines and their turbos are a lot stronger and reliable than the newer generation 105 pd hands down.

[goofy34]

i always thought them engine,s were bullet proof i,ve got the 130 engine one all its had is a cambelt twice a water pump and the wires in the head to the injectors after it started jumping its on 205000 miles and going strong have a look at a bmw mini engine and it looks like a toy inside the garage i was at we never saw them we did see an 11 plate audi tfs and it had no compression on three cylinders ,

[anonymous-user]

Read the thread - just because they're 1.9 TDIs doesn't mean they're the same, there have been many revisions over the years,

[mclwanB]

I am still hopeful they fixed the later bxes- 2nd engine has lasted just under twice as long- 120k- as the first one. Hopefully will do a lot more although the chassis is on 182k of hard local miles

[ChasW]

My old 2003 A4 Tdi 130 is still around with 200k+ on it now. Had a new turbo at 55k other than that just timing belts and still on its original clutch.

[Mr2Mike]

ChasW said:

My old 2003 A4 Tdi 130 is still around with 200k+ on it now. Had a new turbo at 55k other than that just timing belts and still on its original clutch.

And did it have a BXE engine? I didn't think this version was ever fitted to Audis.

[mclwanB]

Mr2Mike said:

ChasW said:

My old 2003 A4 Tdi 130 is still around with 200k+ on it now. Had a new turbo at 55k other than that just timing belts and still on its original clutch.

And did it have a BXE engine? I didn't think this version was ever fitted to Audis.

Nope, hasn't read the thread.

Problem is BXE and possibly some other engine codes fitted to 07-09 cars.

Turbo failing at 55k sounds like driven by someone who didn't know about cooling them down after use

[tom3guest]

got a Volkswagen bora asz 130 which is now on 231 thousand miles been a top motor, the engine as seen car out as lots of suspension problems and clutch just about hanging on is time for the scrappy as repairs are gonna cost more than car is worth.but i must say reading this forum i dont know what to do as most skoda volkswagen and seat 1.9 all have bxe engine code think i might try and pick another asz up with half miles till this problem is sorted as i cant afford the cr version of the engines