VAG TDI 1.9 PD engine failures
Discussion
Bladedancer said:
Just because it says 1.9 TDI it doesn't make it boombproof. Basing your opinion and choices on stereotypes is not a good idea.
Reliability was earned by the old 1.9 TDIs, the non common rail units of the late 90's, especially 90 bhp one which would just go on and on without problems. injection system would go at some point, as would the turbo but that would be wear and tear, and especially injection system wasn't that costly to replace comparing with common rail.
New 1.9 TDIs, even though based on their successful ancestor, are different engines, as denoted by the PD suffix, incorporating many changes to the old unit, including different fuel injection system.
My 1.9 PD engine was extremely reliable and never missed a beat. My old 110 tdi had obviously lead a hard life, and blew a head gasket. It still kept running and returning 55 mpg, even with what looked like a pint of guinness in the expansion tank!Reliability was earned by the old 1.9 TDIs, the non common rail units of the late 90's, especially 90 bhp one which would just go on and on without problems. injection system would go at some point, as would the turbo but that would be wear and tear, and especially injection system wasn't that costly to replace comparing with common rail.
New 1.9 TDIs, even though based on their successful ancestor, are different engines, as denoted by the PD suffix, incorporating many changes to the old unit, including different fuel injection system.
Triumph Man said:
My 1.9 PD engine was extremely reliable and never missed a beat. My old 110 tdi had obviously lead a hard life, and blew a head gasket. It still kept running and returning 55 mpg, even with what looked like a pint of guinness in the expansion tank!
Bet the oil cooler/heat exchanger has failed not the headgasketmorgrp said:
Triumph Man said:
My 1.9 PD engine was extremely reliable and never missed a beat. My old 110 tdi had obviously lead a hard life, and blew a head gasket. It still kept running and returning 55 mpg, even with what looked like a pint of guinness in the expansion tank!
Bet the oil cooler/heat exchanger has failed not the headgasketnormally I am just a lurker on here but feel its time to contribute to this thread.
My Wife has a 2007 Octavia diesel which 'broke down' last week, I did a quick search on here as I could recall this thread or a similar one and then had a quick look at the V5, you have guessed it, BXE engine prefix, 50,000 miles and a full service history. Number 2 conrod snapped, hole in block and a huge out of warranty repair bill. You couldn't make it up. I just wonder how many are out there just about to fail?
Apparently it did it without warning, always been 100% reliable, was doing about 30mph on a rural lane and just went bang. I know VAG will not be remotely interested but have reported it to VOSA for what good that will do me.
so much for skoda reliability...
My Wife has a 2007 Octavia diesel which 'broke down' last week, I did a quick search on here as I could recall this thread or a similar one and then had a quick look at the V5, you have guessed it, BXE engine prefix, 50,000 miles and a full service history. Number 2 conrod snapped, hole in block and a huge out of warranty repair bill. You couldn't make it up. I just wonder how many are out there just about to fail?
Apparently it did it without warning, always been 100% reliable, was doing about 30mph on a rural lane and just went bang. I know VAG will not be remotely interested but have reported it to VOSA for what good that will do me.
so much for skoda reliability...
Ive rebuilt a fair number of these. Its always the conrod that gives away without warning and usually bashes a hole through the block. More and more I find this is happening due to lack of lubrication or the oil jet sprays getting blocked thus being unable to cool the piston. Using the wrong oil would play a part too.
So my wifes '58 plate BXE 1.9TDI Golf let go this week with 75k on the clock. Its got the classic BXE con-rod failure so it now laid-up whilst we work out what to do. Is it worth repairing? What would it be worth as a non-runner? Whilst its unlikely that lightning can strike twice I'm cautious that we could spend a lot of money fixing it and risk it going again or it'll end up running forever (like it should). Any advice?
A gent posted in the VW section with the same issue earlier, except on an Octavia.
There doesn't seem to be much of a consensus but it looks like some people have had a degree of success in chasing VW or the other associated brands for a goodwill payment towards repairs. Always worth a try?
There doesn't seem to be much of a consensus but it looks like some people have had a degree of success in chasing VW or the other associated brands for a goodwill payment towards repairs. Always worth a try?
willmagrath said:
i've heard injectors can go on them (very pricey) so i tend to use v power diesel in my fabia vrs along with the odd use of redex to keep them up to scratch, mines on 112k and still pretty refined
Redex and equivalents are strongly not advised by VAG- so much so that if you use them you're out of warranty whatever the mileage or age! It was use of these by the garage my old practice used that vag used as a reason not to make any contribution to an engine going pop at 62.5k miles/2.5 years! V power is completely different and recommended however. rmccstealth said:
So my wifes '58 plate BXE 1.9TDI Golf let go this week with 75k on the clock. Its got the classic BXE con-rod failure so it now laid-up whilst we work out what to do. Is it worth repairing? What would it be worth as a non-runner? Whilst its unlikely that lightning can strike twice I'm cautious that we could spend a lot of money fixing it and risk it going again or it'll end up running forever (like it should). Any advice?
Ivor searl remanufactured vag engines were recommended to me and I think were about 3k or so but don't have personal experience of them. Old job got one from vag that I think was nearly 6k fitted. However the gearbox went on mine 45k later, an almost unheard of fault that we can only link to damage caused by the engine detonating. Gearbox + clutch + flywheel was another £3008! With hindsight I probably wouldn't repair a bxe or get a recon engine and sell it on. Interesting about someone actually squeezing some money out of VAG for this design fault of there s, will have to go and look it up!rmccstealth said:
So my wifes '58 plate BXE 1.9TDI Golf let go this week with 75k on the clock. Its got the classic BXE con-rod failure so it now laid-up whilst we work out what to do. Is it worth repairing? What would it be worth as a non-runner? Whilst its unlikely that lightning can strike twice I'm cautious that we could spend a lot of money fixing it and risk it going again or it'll end up running forever (like it should). Any advice?
Ivor searl remanufactured vag engines were recommended to me and I think were about 3k or so but don't have personal experience of them. Old job got one from vag that I think was nearly 6k fitted. However the gearbox went on mine 45k later, an almost unheard of fault that we can only link to damage caused by the engine detonating. Gearbox + clutch + flywheel was another £3008! With hindsight I probably wouldn't repair a bxe or get a recon engine and sell it on. Interesting about someone actually squeezing some money out of VAG for this design fault of there s, will have to go and look it up!mclwanB said:
willmagrath said:
i've heard injectors can go on them (very pricey) so i tend to use v power diesel in my fabia vrs along with the odd use of redex to keep them up to scratch, mines on 112k and still pretty refined
Redex and equivalents are strongly not advised by VAG- so much so that if you use them you're out of warranty whatever the mileage or age! It was use of these by the garage my old practice used that vag used as a reason not to make any contribution to an engine going pop at 62.5k miles/2.5 years! V power is completely different and recommended however. VAG had no interest in making a payment towards mine as it had been serviced by an independent, once. We sourced a second hand non BXE motor and had an independent specialist fit it, mobile again for £3000. I have heard that main dealer would be 6-8k for a recon motor and any possible contribution would only be a percentage of this. I reckon we got away quite cheaply and as car was hardly moving when it went I am hoping the gearbox is OK, certainly no chipped teeth as has happened in some cases...
The problem isn't just with the BXE, the BLS engine is also doing the same thing - though I gather VW are in denial about this too!
My 2008 Bluemotion Golf has just run a big end and sheared the oil pump off (according to the mechanic who dropped the sump). The car is an ex-lease machine, which I bought in May 2002 with 112K miles and very full VW service history. I have only done 5K miles since (with one oil change and was going to do a second one soon - I have the oil and filter!), but I suspect VW would say the non-VW service was the cause of the problem!
The BLS is in some Caddies, so finding a cheap low-mileage one is nearly impossible and, as they can go at 60K miles, I don't really fancy the one with 80K in eBay!! I've had to buy a rebuilt one form a reputable supplier and it is £2160 with a year's warranty - the local garage will fit it, so that's a bit more cash to find.
One thing is for sure, after 24 years of VW ownership, this one will be the last for a long time.
My 2008 Bluemotion Golf has just run a big end and sheared the oil pump off (according to the mechanic who dropped the sump). The car is an ex-lease machine, which I bought in May 2002 with 112K miles and very full VW service history. I have only done 5K miles since (with one oil change and was going to do a second one soon - I have the oil and filter!), but I suspect VW would say the non-VW service was the cause of the problem!
The BLS is in some Caddies, so finding a cheap low-mileage one is nearly impossible and, as they can go at 60K miles, I don't really fancy the one with 80K in eBay!! I've had to buy a rebuilt one form a reputable supplier and it is £2160 with a year's warranty - the local garage will fit it, so that's a bit more cash to find.
One thing is for sure, after 24 years of VW ownership, this one will be the last for a long time.
dbfan said:
One thing is for sure, after 24 years of VW ownership, this one will be the last for a long time.
Quite agree- as VAG have disowned a known manufacturing fault that causes such severe problems all we can do is generate as much publicity- and possibly cost them some sales- as we can!Gassing Station | Audi, Seat, Skoda & VW | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff