VAG TDI 1.9 PD engine failures
Discussion
dbfan said:
One thing is for sure, after 24 years of VW ownership, this one will be the last for a long time.
Quite agree- as VAG have disowned a known manufacturing fault that causes such severe problems all we can do is generate as much publicity- and possibly cost them some sales- as we can!Another casualty to add to this ever growing list - Skoda Octavia 57 plate 92K on the clock. One of the Pistons has broken and yes it is a 1.9 TDI with a BXE engine code. independent garage quoted a repair cost of 2.9k (1.8k for the engine).
No previous problems with car which I have owned for over 2 years. It last had a full service back in November.
Is it worth putting another BXE engine in it or is there another alternative? (I am being mocked by my wife for buying a Skoda in the first place)
No previous problems with car which I have owned for over 2 years. It last had a full service back in November.
Is it worth putting another BXE engine in it or is there another alternative? (I am being mocked by my wife for buying a Skoda in the first place)
I suspect you're stuck with the same engine - if only because of the onboard electronics. In theory, the new engine shouldn't fail for a while (I keep saying that to myself!!): I suspect that the variable interval servicing is a large part of the problem. I have no proof of that, but always change oil at around 7K intervals: I've only had my Golf for two years - 5000 miles - and was about to give it a second service. Unfortunately, it has 117K on it and only had three oil changes before I got it - and the service history is the best I've seen: it even includes wiper blades!
My remanufactured engine was £2106 (inc delivery and collection of the old engine)and has a year's warranty (inc labour). I also bought a new flywheel and clutch, cam belt kit, water pump, auxiliary belt and supplied oil and filters (about £700's worth of bits!). The garage found a broken back spring when they had sorted the engine, so I got them to do that and their bill was just short of £600 all in.
As my Golf is a Bluemotion, it is a little more "desirable" than an ordinary one, so the car should be worth about £5,500 - £6000 if I sell it privately (I doubt it is in the real world though!). My options were to scrap it and find £6K for another car (possibly a Volvo!) or spend the £3K+; make sure I change the oil much more often than VW say (at great expense) and make the car last a few years; or find an engine at the breakers and part exchange ASAP afterwards! I tried the last option first, but BLS engines seem to be sold before they arrive a the breakers and high mileage ones on eBay were £800+ delivery.
One warning though: check the engine supplier out before parting with money. One I saw on eBay was well known: they had been on Watchdog, reported to the RAC and Trading Standards! Mind you, the engine was a lot cheaper!!
Oh yes, a neighbour has just scrapped a 2.0TDI Mk5 Golf as the head had "gone" and he has bought a 2001 Peugeot 307(?) that has 140K on the clock and is as sweet as a nut!
My remanufactured engine was £2106 (inc delivery and collection of the old engine)and has a year's warranty (inc labour). I also bought a new flywheel and clutch, cam belt kit, water pump, auxiliary belt and supplied oil and filters (about £700's worth of bits!). The garage found a broken back spring when they had sorted the engine, so I got them to do that and their bill was just short of £600 all in.
As my Golf is a Bluemotion, it is a little more "desirable" than an ordinary one, so the car should be worth about £5,500 - £6000 if I sell it privately (I doubt it is in the real world though!). My options were to scrap it and find £6K for another car (possibly a Volvo!) or spend the £3K+; make sure I change the oil much more often than VW say (at great expense) and make the car last a few years; or find an engine at the breakers and part exchange ASAP afterwards! I tried the last option first, but BLS engines seem to be sold before they arrive a the breakers and high mileage ones on eBay were £800+ delivery.
One warning though: check the engine supplier out before parting with money. One I saw on eBay was well known: they had been on Watchdog, reported to the RAC and Trading Standards! Mind you, the engine was a lot cheaper!!
Oh yes, a neighbour has just scrapped a 2.0TDI Mk5 Golf as the head had "gone" and he has bought a 2001 Peugeot 307(?) that has 140K on the clock and is as sweet as a nut!
Janet Bracks said:
I had the same thing just over 5 weeks ago. Engine failure con rod. VW said nothing to do with us we are happy to wash our hands of a 5.5yr old car with 86k on the clock. Engine number WVGZZZ1TZ8W041437 it would be great to chase the engine numbers. I am fighting my case through VOSA who appear interested in protecting drivers so please let them know if you have or have had a car with the same problem.
I have just had the same problem and have contacted VOSA over the problem, too. Waiting to here backI have two 1.9TDi pd Volkswagens.
The good one is 2002 Golf gttdi 130 bhp, currently on 190000 miles, one of the best cars I've owned and still going strong.
The bad one is a 2007 Passat 105 bhp, catastrophic failure at about 55000 miles, as far as I can make out a tip dropped off one of the glowplugs, bounced around in the barrel scraping it a bit before jamming the exhaust valve closed, wearing the cam flat, melting a hole in the top of the piston, and knackering the big end bearings. It's now got a replacement engine but it's just been one of these cars that everything goes wrong with.
The good one is 2002 Golf gttdi 130 bhp, currently on 190000 miles, one of the best cars I've owned and still going strong.
The bad one is a 2007 Passat 105 bhp, catastrophic failure at about 55000 miles, as far as I can make out a tip dropped off one of the glowplugs, bounced around in the barrel scraping it a bit before jamming the exhaust valve closed, wearing the cam flat, melting a hole in the top of the piston, and knackering the big end bearings. It's now got a replacement engine but it's just been one of these cars that everything goes wrong with.
Jim Campbell said:
BKC is the engine code if i'm reading the manual correctly. Am i doomed then?
No you're fortunate. Not that every bxe will go. Hoping that the remanufactured one in my car won't (currently on 90k) rather fervently. Rest of the car seems to be falling apart though & when the garage replaces the gearbox apparently they almost always b*gger the slave cylinder. Never been 100% electrically since the new engine tbh!In the last 4 weeks new rear wiper motor, new brake slave cylinder. To the former and new garage's shame that required 6 examinations by a mechanic, one of them by the RAC (that's letting it off the rac visit to the battery flattened by the fridge) & over £1500 (incl a service)!
Sensibleboy said:
It does sound like the problem is limited to 2007 and 2008 Cars So there will be thousands of earlier engines that are fine.
Octavia was an 09. Not heard of one out of 07-09, for every bxe and bls that detonates there be lots that don't. My point is that if a manufacturing defect makes even a small proportion of your engines fail in a dramatic and potentially dangerous way I don't think sticking your head in the ground and hoping that the problem goes away is a responsible attitude to take, particularly if you want to try and maintain a reputation for reliability! I suspect a lot of the problem is infrequent oil changes. As I wrote, my Golf only had three lots of oil in 112K miles (two changes) and it still didn't say the oil was ready for changing when I changed it after six months of buying it!
I changed the oil in the new engine after 1000 miles (actually, it was 1,100 miles) and the engine runs so much more smoothly than it did with the slightly dirty "running in" oil (although it was Castrol Edge). It almost feels like a different car. So I will certainly be changing at around 7K miles in future and have the car on "fixed time" service reminders, not variable ones.
Mind you, I see there are lots of little rust spots on it now - something the old Mk4 never had (even at ten years old). I have no intention of claiming - if they can't do it right first time, I don't see why I should pay then to do an inferior job when it rusts when I can do a good job myself!
VW are still trading on a reputation they earned with the Beetle. I've had four VWs since 1990 and none seem to have been as reliable as my neighbour's Citroens!!
I changed the oil in the new engine after 1000 miles (actually, it was 1,100 miles) and the engine runs so much more smoothly than it did with the slightly dirty "running in" oil (although it was Castrol Edge). It almost feels like a different car. So I will certainly be changing at around 7K miles in future and have the car on "fixed time" service reminders, not variable ones.
Mind you, I see there are lots of little rust spots on it now - something the old Mk4 never had (even at ten years old). I have no intention of claiming - if they can't do it right first time, I don't see why I should pay then to do an inferior job when it rusts when I can do a good job myself!
VW are still trading on a reputation they earned with the Beetle. I've had four VWs since 1990 and none seem to have been as reliable as my neighbour's Citroens!!
dbfan said:
I suspect a lot of the problem is infrequent oil changes. As I wrote, my Golf only had three lots of oil in 112K miles (two changes) and it still didn't say the oil was ready for changing when I changed it after six months of buying it!
I changed the oil in the new engine after 1000 miles (actually, it was 1,100 miles) and the engine runs so much more smoothly than it did with the slightly dirty "running in" oil (although it was Castrol Edge). It almost feels like a different car. So I will certainly be changing at around 7K miles in future and have the car on "fixed time" service reminders, not variable ones.
Mind you, I see there are lots of little rust spots on it now - something the old Mk4 never had (even at ten years old). I have no intention of claiming - if they can't do it right first time, I don't see why I should pay then to do an inferior job when it rusts when I can do a good job myself!
VW are still trading on a reputation they earned with the Beetle. I've had four VWs since 1990 and none seem to have been as reliable as my neighbour's Citroens!!
German engineering is a marketing sloganI changed the oil in the new engine after 1000 miles (actually, it was 1,100 miles) and the engine runs so much more smoothly than it did with the slightly dirty "running in" oil (although it was Castrol Edge). It almost feels like a different car. So I will certainly be changing at around 7K miles in future and have the car on "fixed time" service reminders, not variable ones.
Mind you, I see there are lots of little rust spots on it now - something the old Mk4 never had (even at ten years old). I have no intention of claiming - if they can't do it right first time, I don't see why I should pay then to do an inferior job when it rusts when I can do a good job myself!
VW are still trading on a reputation they earned with the Beetle. I've had four VWs since 1990 and none seem to have been as reliable as my neighbour's Citroens!!
dbfan said:
I suspect a lot of the problem is infrequent oil changes. As I wrote, my Golf only had three lots of oil in 112K miles (two changes) and it still didn't say the oil was ready for changing when I changed it after six months of buying it!
That implies near 40K mile oil change intervals - that can't be right, surely?Must say we added a Golf Mk6 to our family fleet 3yrs ago and had a little issue with the diamond cut wheels which the dealer and VW managed to turn it into a massive and still unresolved problem. I really don't need the hassle and we're in the process of changing another of our cars and instantly dismissed VW.
dbfan said:
VW are still trading on a reputation they earned with the Beetle.
This! VAG technician at my local indie said this. Just for info mine was on fleet servicing schedule, also noted how much smoother the new engine was especially after 1k oil change. Notchy gearbox much better in replacement for about 10k miles only!Passat 2001 with AVF engine 130hp (recently remapped to 160hp) 140k miles, running strong and smooth
Problems so far:
EGR valve clicking
mechanics failed to find the fault and swapped part after part, didn't help
changed all hoses and it's as good as it gets
DMF, changed due to suspicious noise, turned out that it was merely the oem muffler falling apart
Gearbox bearing failure, seems to be a common problem on FRK type gearboxes, not engine related I guess
changed to a DQS to suit the remap as it has a longer fifth and sixth gear
Problems so far:
EGR valve clicking
mechanics failed to find the fault and swapped part after part, didn't help
changed all hoses and it's as good as it gets
DMF, changed due to suspicious noise, turned out that it was merely the oem muffler falling apart
Gearbox bearing failure, seems to be a common problem on FRK type gearboxes, not engine related I guess
changed to a DQS to suit the remap as it has a longer fifth and sixth gear
Sheepshanks said:
That implies near 40K mile oil change intervals - that can't be right, surely?
Must say we added a Golf Mk6 to our family fleet 3yrs ago and had a little issue with the diamond cut wheels which the dealer and VW managed to turn it into a massive and still unresolved problem. I really don't need the hassle and we're in the process of changing another of our cars and instantly dismissed VW.
It shouldn't be right - especially as it has a very complete main stealer service history!Must say we added a Golf Mk6 to our family fleet 3yrs ago and had a little issue with the diamond cut wheels which the dealer and VW managed to turn it into a massive and still unresolved problem. I really don't need the hassle and we're in the process of changing another of our cars and instantly dismissed VW.
The car was a lease vehicle and the service history, from the leasing company's spreadsheet,includes light bulbs, tyres and wiper blades - so I don't think they would miss an oil change or two: if they were done, they'd be recorded!
I had no problems with any of the previous VW engines - I'd have kept the last Golf if a cobble hadn't jumped out and smashed the sump (it didn't reach 100K and was written off), the precious two got to 200K or so without incident, so I thought it reasonable that the Mk5 would last a while!
Interestingly, the Land Rover I'm rebuilding has a 1990 (or so) Perkins Prima engine in it and it runs well! The Prima was developed from a Austin-Rover engine (O-series?), so perhaps we were too quick to take the pi$$ out of Rovers!!
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