RE: Meet the world's fastest R35 GT-R - from Telford
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wackojacko said:
Was just coming on her to post that. Broken it by quite a margin tooLet me preface what I'm about to say with some caveats:
- I like the car - as a promo tool it's ace
- I love the fact SVM built it, and gave the US based GTR tuners a bloody nose - even if just for a few weeks
- I love standing miles - they're my new favourite thing and I'm on the way to getting into them in a big way.
But....
1. It's a very, very optimistic price IMO. Despite being pitched as a top speed / standing mile car, it hasn't proved it's capable of running the standing mile at a speed that someone who'd be looking to drop £260,000 on a standing mile car would surely be looking for. Also, presumably there's a lot of development expenditure factored into that price? In which case why not just get a car that's better suited in the first place, and has proven it, and doesn't come with a bunch of non-essential stuff that's on there because it's a show / promo car.
2. Even if they beat AMS' record and clock 233+ mph, they're still quite far behind a lot of the standing mile tuner cars outside of the GTR world. Surely if a buyer is prepared to drop over quarter of a million on something that's been pitched as a top speed / standing mile car, you're prepared to drop a bit more on one that's competitive, or just have one built...
3. £260k is near as makes no difference $420,000 US. I'm pretty sure you could replicate BoostLogic's supra for a lot less than that, or LMR's 231mph TT 'Vette or many of the others which even AMS aren't quite up there with. I just don't see value in this asking price when there's so many other tuning options out there, unless of course they happen to do something very special when they prove it's ability on the next run, which leads me to...
4. It's stuck in limbo until they prove otherwise, as a GTR that's far too expensive and/or far too heavily tuned to be worth buying for use on the street, and it's not yet demonstrated it's competitive as a standing mile car beyond the few people are running GTRs in unlimited class standing mile events.
5.The accessible market for this car must be tiny - standing miles are as good as non-existant in the UK, only a few events that I know of, and not a huge amount of people queuing up to drop quarter of a million on an ex-tuner car. Then factor in that it's RHD so the middle east is ruled out, and unless they really pull out all the stops it's not going to dethrone AMS for long, and the number of potential buyers keeps dwindling.
So, if it's not [yet] a competitive standing mile car despite being pitched as one, what else can it be used for that'll justify £260k of investment in it? I've chewed this over for a good half an hour before writing this post and can't think of anything.
I hope they get what they're after for it, and I hope whoever buys it carries on developing it and competing with it, but I've no idea why they would. Still, nowt as queer as folk and all that, best of luck to them if they think they'll get £260k for it without budging much. I suspect they must have put a decent chunk of wiggle room in there though, otherwise I can't help but think it'll be for sale for a very long time, or be parted out, detuned and sold on as a fettled, but not insane GTR. Can't wait to see what they've got lined up for their next project though
- I like the car - as a promo tool it's ace
- I love the fact SVM built it, and gave the US based GTR tuners a bloody nose - even if just for a few weeks
- I love standing miles - they're my new favourite thing and I'm on the way to getting into them in a big way.
But....
1. It's a very, very optimistic price IMO. Despite being pitched as a top speed / standing mile car, it hasn't proved it's capable of running the standing mile at a speed that someone who'd be looking to drop £260,000 on a standing mile car would surely be looking for. Also, presumably there's a lot of development expenditure factored into that price? In which case why not just get a car that's better suited in the first place, and has proven it, and doesn't come with a bunch of non-essential stuff that's on there because it's a show / promo car.
2. Even if they beat AMS' record and clock 233+ mph, they're still quite far behind a lot of the standing mile tuner cars outside of the GTR world. Surely if a buyer is prepared to drop over quarter of a million on something that's been pitched as a top speed / standing mile car, you're prepared to drop a bit more on one that's competitive, or just have one built...
3. £260k is near as makes no difference $420,000 US. I'm pretty sure you could replicate BoostLogic's supra for a lot less than that, or LMR's 231mph TT 'Vette or many of the others which even AMS aren't quite up there with. I just don't see value in this asking price when there's so many other tuning options out there, unless of course they happen to do something very special when they prove it's ability on the next run, which leads me to...
4. It's stuck in limbo until they prove otherwise, as a GTR that's far too expensive and/or far too heavily tuned to be worth buying for use on the street, and it's not yet demonstrated it's competitive as a standing mile car beyond the few people are running GTRs in unlimited class standing mile events.
5.The accessible market for this car must be tiny - standing miles are as good as non-existant in the UK, only a few events that I know of, and not a huge amount of people queuing up to drop quarter of a million on an ex-tuner car. Then factor in that it's RHD so the middle east is ruled out, and unless they really pull out all the stops it's not going to dethrone AMS for long, and the number of potential buyers keeps dwindling.
So, if it's not [yet] a competitive standing mile car despite being pitched as one, what else can it be used for that'll justify £260k of investment in it? I've chewed this over for a good half an hour before writing this post and can't think of anything.
I hope they get what they're after for it, and I hope whoever buys it carries on developing it and competing with it, but I've no idea why they would. Still, nowt as queer as folk and all that, best of luck to them if they think they'll get £260k for it without budging much. I suspect they must have put a decent chunk of wiggle room in there though, otherwise I can't help but think it'll be for sale for a very long time, or be parted out, detuned and sold on as a fettled, but not insane GTR. Can't wait to see what they've got lined up for their next project though
@Stu R - Everything you are saying makes perfect sense and is completely valid, but if I had the money, I'd still rather buy that car than a house! I honestly can't think of a car that I would want more. Just because it looks ridiculous. Drives ridiculous. Costs an obscene amount of money. Is completely Bat-s
t MENTAL! And that's what's so amazing about it.
I think to summarise - if you have to justify the purchase of a £260k car to yourself by using logic and reason, then you probably can't afford it and aren't the sort of person that should buy it. This isn't a car for people that are worried about what the "point" of it is. It wouldn't matter what the point was. What would matter would be the brilliant childish smirk across your face every time you remind yourself that you have just bought a completely mental car...and being completely fine with that.
The stuff dreams are made of. Fact.
t MENTAL! And that's what's so amazing about it. I think to summarise - if you have to justify the purchase of a £260k car to yourself by using logic and reason, then you probably can't afford it and aren't the sort of person that should buy it. This isn't a car for people that are worried about what the "point" of it is. It wouldn't matter what the point was. What would matter would be the brilliant childish smirk across your face every time you remind yourself that you have just bought a completely mental car...and being completely fine with that.
The stuff dreams are made of. Fact.
Nearly half a second faster between 110 and 130 than a supersport. Gearing arguments aside and aero aside wow!
Seeing cars like this always make wonder just what your average sports car is capable of if the design teams were let loose on a existing model with a decent budget and no crash safety or environmental crap in the way (and don't say a race car). I cant imagine an MG Xpower SV staying intact at that speed repeatedly because of the budget hampering the designers (i like MG's before you start).
Thats one impressive ricer, just lose the tacky wheels please.
Seeing cars like this always make wonder just what your average sports car is capable of if the design teams were let loose on a existing model with a decent budget and no crash safety or environmental crap in the way (and don't say a race car). I cant imagine an MG Xpower SV staying intact at that speed repeatedly because of the budget hampering the designers (i like MG's before you start).
Thats one impressive ricer, just lose the tacky wheels please.
Edited by Andy ap on Tuesday 12th November 09:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCyI6eiMbuA
That would be impressive if the drivers were driving the cars and not letting the computer do all the hard work.
Any idiot can sit in a GTR with their right foot on the floor. Watch the in-car footage. The whole time the drivers do virtually nothing. Maybe a couple of steering adjustments over the measured mile.
Hmmmmm....
Anyone with a GTR fancy doing an experiment?
To demonstrate the driver is just ballast to a computer I propose driving a GTR over a quarter mile to set a time with full launch control and such. Then do another quarter mile sat in the passenger seat with a broom handle for the accelerator pedal. I'm willing to bet the times will be less than half a second apart.
That would be impressive if the drivers were driving the cars and not letting the computer do all the hard work.
Any idiot can sit in a GTR with their right foot on the floor. Watch the in-car footage. The whole time the drivers do virtually nothing. Maybe a couple of steering adjustments over the measured mile.
Hmmmmm....
Anyone with a GTR fancy doing an experiment?
To demonstrate the driver is just ballast to a computer I propose driving a GTR over a quarter mile to set a time with full launch control and such. Then do another quarter mile sat in the passenger seat with a broom handle for the accelerator pedal. I'm willing to bet the times will be less than half a second apart.
Liquid Knight said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCyI6eiMbuA
That would be impressive if the drivers were driving the cars and not letting the computer do all the hard work.
that's kind of the GTR's niche though?That would be impressive if the drivers were driving the cars and not letting the computer do all the hard work.
Liquid Knight said:
Any idiot can sit in a GTR with their right foot on the floor
Same for anything with DCT. Naive to think they drive themselves though - maybe why so many end up crashed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=manKvCYKfK0&fe...
NomduJour said:
Liquid Knight said:
Any idiot can sit in a GTR with their right foot on the floor
Same for anything with DCT. Naive to think they drive themselves though - maybe why so many end up crashed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=manKvCYKfK0&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgmSiOTUQmg
...the woman driver looked at the windscreen wipers, got a tiny slap, over corrected and even the best stability control will only work when the tyres are getting grip. It was stupid doing a mile run in such heavy rain and she was lucky to have got away with it at a reasonably slow speed.
Almost slick tyres + heavy rain + inexperienced driver = crash
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