RE: PH Fleet update: Golf GTI Edition 35
Discussion
When you do the maths, the improved diesel economy is offset by the higher pump prices and higher initial vehicle cost. For every penny you're saving in fuel each year, the depreciaition is taking a chunk of that away.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.
I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.
I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
sanctum said:
When you do the maths, the improved diesel economy is offset by the higher pump prices and higher initial vehicle cost. For every penny you're saving in fuel each year, the depreciaition is taking a chunk of that away.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.
I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
Maybe PH isnt being so insular anymore?Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.
I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
The higher initial price is balanced off with higher residuals in most cases. In the case of the 2 cars above, running an Ed35 on SUL vs a GTD on derv would cost me over £2100 a year more in fuel. Factor in the higher road tax and generally more frequent servicing of petrol models, you're looking at £2500 a year.
Well I fell for the thinking a modern TD would be more economical that a petrol.
We (Mrs and I) had not need a car for some time (living overseas as well) and when the time came again last year we did not know really where we were going to live (London or else where) so we though sensible but fun hatch so went for a Leon FR CR170 TDI, it has the same engine as the golf GTD and basically the same underpinnings.
For what we use it for shortish journeys with the odd long one thrown in it averages about 30mpg, on a motorway I can get it up to about 43mpg but that's not not driving in economy mode shall we say.
What has stung me is the price of derv over petrol, we only do about 9k miles a year so no where near enough to justify the higher price.
I am looking to change soon and will with out a doubt be a petrol again, plus I much prefer a big petrol or turbo charged petrol over a derv.
These MPG figures from manufacturers are a joke, I cant believe people still fall for them
We (Mrs and I) had not need a car for some time (living overseas as well) and when the time came again last year we did not know really where we were going to live (London or else where) so we though sensible but fun hatch so went for a Leon FR CR170 TDI, it has the same engine as the golf GTD and basically the same underpinnings.
For what we use it for shortish journeys with the odd long one thrown in it averages about 30mpg, on a motorway I can get it up to about 43mpg but that's not not driving in economy mode shall we say.
What has stung me is the price of derv over petrol, we only do about 9k miles a year so no where near enough to justify the higher price.
I am looking to change soon and will with out a doubt be a petrol again, plus I much prefer a big petrol or turbo charged petrol over a derv.
These MPG figures from manufacturers are a joke, I cant believe people still fall for them
mikey k said:
Interesting I guess the Golf R suffers the same "issue"
But the price differential between unleaded and diesel makes less of a difference.
Based on my local fuel prices and VW's combined cycle figures there is £1,445/yr in it over 25k/yr.
I think I'd go with the petrol version for when I can find some nice clear B roads
I'm getting better fuel economy out if my R. But the price differential between unleaded and diesel makes less of a difference.
Based on my local fuel prices and VW's combined cycle figures there is £1,445/yr in it over 25k/yr.
I think I'd go with the petrol version for when I can find some nice clear B roads
I get around 600miles from my GTD, which usually takes 48-50L to fill up. Thats an average of 55mpg. I don't drive it particularly hard, but i don't hand around either. A lot of it is 75mph motorway, but i also do around 25miles a day of a 90mile commute on A roads.
The only thing i've noticed today, after nearly 10k in it (in 4 months) the front tyres aren't going to go an awful lot further, prob a couple of mm left before the markers. luckily i don't pay for them.
The only thing i've noticed today, after nearly 10k in it (in 4 months) the front tyres aren't going to go an awful lot further, prob a couple of mm left before the markers. luckily i don't pay for them.
Colonial said:
I'm getting better fuel economy out if my R.
Heck, I am getting better fuel economy out of my 11 year old VR5 engine. Every weekend I do about 60 miles on nice twisty A roads without being too sparing with the throttle, and I always get low 30s mpg (and that's with at least 1 passenger, and two bikes).dvance said:
Heck, I am getting better fuel economy out of my 11 year old VR5 engine. Every weekend I do about 60 miles on nice twisty A roads without being too sparing with the throttle, and I always get low 30s mpg (and that's with at least 1 passenger, and two bikes).
yeah with about half the power. 225 said:
Well I fell for the thinking a modern TD would be more economical that a petrol.
We (Mrs and I) had not need a car for some time (living overseas as well) and when the time came again last year we did not know really where we were going to live (London or else where) so we though sensible but fun hatch so went for a Leon FR CR170 TDI, it has the same engine as the golf GTD and basically the same underpinnings.
For what we use it for shortish journeys with the odd long one thrown in it averages about 30mpg, on a motorway I can get it up to about 43mpg but that's not not driving in economy mode shall we say.
What has stung me is the price of derv over petrol, we only do about 9k miles a year so no where near enough to justify the higher price.
I am looking to change soon and will with out a doubt be a petrol again, plus I much prefer a big petrol or turbo charged petrol over a derv.
These MPG figures from manufacturers are a joke, I cant believe people still fall for them
Basically you can run a full car or estate with 140 bhp upwards for the same sort of money as running a 70-90 bhp petrol supermini even in London , the difference on A roads is even bigger IMO. Manual diesels do suck in slow moving traffic and currently toying with the idea of getting a re map to improve things. We (Mrs and I) had not need a car for some time (living overseas as well) and when the time came again last year we did not know really where we were going to live (London or else where) so we though sensible but fun hatch so went for a Leon FR CR170 TDI, it has the same engine as the golf GTD and basically the same underpinnings.
For what we use it for shortish journeys with the odd long one thrown in it averages about 30mpg, on a motorway I can get it up to about 43mpg but that's not not driving in economy mode shall we say.
What has stung me is the price of derv over petrol, we only do about 9k miles a year so no where near enough to justify the higher price.
I am looking to change soon and will with out a doubt be a petrol again, plus I much prefer a big petrol or turbo charged petrol over a derv.
These MPG figures from manufacturers are a joke, I cant believe people still fall for them
emicen said:
The higher initial price is balanced off with higher residuals in most cases. In the case of the 2 cars above, running an Ed35 on SUL vs a GTD on derv would cost me over £2100 a year more in fuel. Factor in the higher road tax and generally more frequent servicing of petrol models, you're looking at £2500 a year.
I figured two similar cars would retain the same % after 3 years. That's all very dependent on the vehicle and this is just a gassing forum, so I massively simplified it. The higher initial price means you lose more over the three years if it depreciates by the same %.Your savings from diesel only appear if you drive more than 12k per year, and they don't ramp up very steeply. Sorry if I didn't make my point clearly, but I just wanted to show that diesel isn't automatically the cheaper alternative.
sanctum said:
When you do the maths, the improved diesel economy is offset by the higher pump prices and higher initial vehicle cost. For every penny you're saving in fuel each year, the depreciaition is taking a chunk of that away.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.
I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
Your basing your calculations on your low annual mileage. when the miles go up by a serious amount, diesel makes sense. It really is that simple. When I had a company Golf a fews year ago. I found I was financially better off with an annual mileage of only 13k. I'm doing about 18k now and I'm certainly better off with a diesel. Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.
I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
Economy is now a major factor when choosing a new car. All you have to do is scan through the 'What Car' threads that come up here and there often ask about economy. I think all this talk of diesel being the juice of the devil is antiquated IMO. Why do you think the values of things like the 540i are plummeting?? Its not just Petrol either. Diesels with poor economy are also fallnig in value. The Mitsubishi Pajero is terrible on fuel and I think thats another reason why they have dropped in price.
Hub said:
Forgive me if this is an insult to your intelligence, but is the Edition 35 being run on 98/99 RON? Seems to make quite a difference.
I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.
We have been mostly running it on 95, with the occasional tank of super. I'll put a couple of tanks of Super in over the next couple of weeks to see if it makes a significant difference.I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.
Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...
Riggers said:
Hub said:
Forgive me if this is an insult to your intelligence, but is the Edition 35 being run on 98/99 RON? Seems to make quite a difference.
I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.
We have been mostly running it on 95, with the occasional tank of super. I'll put a couple of tanks of Super in over the next couple of weeks to see if it makes a significant difference.I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.
Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...
Riggers said:
We have been mostly running it on 95, with the occasional tank of super. I'll put a couple of tanks of Super in over the next couple of weeks to see if it makes a significant difference.
Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...
The FSi engine I had in my MK5GTi was about 10% worse on 95 ron than 99 in terms of fuel consumption (going on fuel receipts/mileage on a fairly consistent run). As far as I'm aware to run in the most efficient 'fuel stratified injection' mode it needs higher octane fuel.Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...
I have no idea what the premium for that is these days in the UK but possibly worth it.
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