RE: New 991 GT3 and Turbo busy at the 'ring

[vinnie83]

needham said:

Does anyone have a photo of this new 991.
The photos shown seem to be of a previous 911.

Original... must have taken you ages to think of that!

[benzito]

Boring! for the money of a new turbo or gt3 (I'm guessing the new 991's will be 80-100k) the italian alternatives seem much more interesting, and will certainly depreciate a lot less,

[tommy vercetti]

needham said:

Does anyone have a photo of this new 991.
The photos shown seem to be of a previous 911.

lol

[kambites]

benzito said:

Boring! for the money of a new turbo or gt3 (I'm guessing the new 991's will be 80-100k) the italian alternatives seem much more interesting, and will certainly depreciate a lot less,

Which Italian alternatives?

[P4ROT]

Can't see pdk gt3 being manual somehow....

[Mermaid]

PDK is the Porsche preferred way - they have moved on.

[rog007]

As stated earlier, in order to meet new EU emission levels across the range it will be auto boxes all the way for almost all manufacturers in time. Fact is, auto boxes are now better than us at shifting. Doesn't make it right, just more efficient.

[goodhand]

benzito said:

Boring! for the money of a new turbo or gt3 (I'm guessing the new 991's will be 80-100k) the italian alternatives seem much more interesting, and will certainly depreciate a lot less,

Can only think of the Maserati Granturismo and Quattroporte which'd fall into that price bracket - 2 of the fastest depreciating cars out there.

[kambites]

rog007 said:

As stated earlier, in order to meet new EU emission levels across the range it will be auto boxes all the way for almost all manufacturers in time. Fact is, auto boxes are now better than us at shifting. Doesn't make it right, just more efficient.

Those two things are probably both true, but they're completely unrelated. The fact that auto boxes are better at choosing gears than us is irrelevant to the CO2 test results, the tests are just fundamentally skewed towards automatics.

[tuffer]

goodhand said:

benzito said:

Boring! for the money of a new turbo or gt3 (I'm guessing the new 991's will be 80-100k) the italian alternatives seem much more interesting, and will certainly depreciate a lot less,

Can only think of the Maserati Granturismo and Quattroporte which'd fall into that price bracket - 2 of the fastest depreciating cars out there.

I would say they will be 120 - 150K rather than 80-100k. The standard 991 is over 80K.

[f1ten]

are pdk's quicker in every way? in real life, boyish race of the traffic lights, quick rev and then boost off the line. I dont know. I thought the system in the 458 is very good, but I like to play around with my gears so hope to god there is still a manual.

Im delighted that porsche left a canvas roof on the cab 991 - maybe I need to get with the times!?

[SonnyM]

PDK vs Manual here we go again.... Wheres that popcorn / Simon Cowell icon?

[Krikkit]

tuffer said:

goodhand said:

benzito said:

Boring! for the money of a new turbo or gt3 (I'm guessing the new 991's will be 80-100k) the italian alternatives seem much more interesting, and will certainly depreciate a lot less,

Can only think of the Maserati Granturismo and Quattroporte which'd fall into that price bracket - 2 of the fastest depreciating cars out there.

I would say they will be 120 - 150K rather than 80-100k. The standard 991 is over 80K.

Definitely. £175k+options for a 458, the typical car that Porsche try and undercut a bit with the Turbo, I'd say the Turbo will be £150-160k and the GT3 about £130k.

[spareparts]

PDK is the way forward. Faster, efficient, better control to maintain drive when pushing on, more stable, no buzzed engines, total flexibility for urban and track.

It is only good for the GT3.

[Krikkit]

spareparts said:

PDK is the way forward. Faster, efficient, better control to maintain drive when pushing on, more stable, no buzzed engines, total flexibility for urban and track.

It is only good for the GT3.

The PDK is perfect for the Turbo - its sole purpose is to go really, really fast.

The GT3 is about involving the driver as much as possible while being quicker than a normal 911S/4S.

[goodhand]

Krikkit said:

Definitely. £175k+options for a 458, the typical car that Porsche try and undercut a bit with the Turbo, I'd say the Turbo will be £150-160k and the GT3 about £130k.

The base price of 997 Carrera was £67k new, whilst the GT3 was £85k. A 27% premium. The 997 Turbo is still available new for £110k. A 65% premium over the standard 997 Carrera.

The 991 Carrera costs £71k new. So, based on this, the new GT3 & Turbo should come in at around £90k and £118 respectively.

They'll probably end up a little more expensive, but hopefully not quite the figures you're quoting. I'd guess more in the region of £100k for the GT3 and £125k for the Turbo.

[PPPPPP]

spareparts said:

PDK is the way forward. Faster, efficient, better control to maintain drive when pushing on, more stable, no buzzed engines, total flexibility for urban and track.

It is only good for the GT3.

The M3 CSL proved this almost a decade ago.

[Trommel]

PPPPPP said:

The M3 CSL proved this almost a decade ago

... except for the fact that it didn't have a PDK-style double-clutch box.

[DodoRacing]

Lightningman said:

...

The PDK cannot be compared to BMWs SMG, it is far better than any other automated clutch system I've tried, including what was offered on the F430 (I haven't driven a 458 but I would imagine they have upped the game).
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BMW's SMG II is the phased out single clutch system. The comparable double clutch system from BMW is DCT.

[Great Pretender]

wackojacko said:

If they choose to offer PDK only on the GT3 I think would be a mistake as I believe Porsches are meant a more mechanical and driver integrating car, by all means make a turbo with PDK as they are meant to be comfortable and devastatingly quick. I hope a manual option is available for the GT3.


Those PDK box's are excellent though but not any good for GT3 IMO.

It would certainly make the 997 RS 4.0 an instant classic and push values into the stratosphere.