RE: The PH guide to the EU's new tyre labels

[The Black Flash]

SimbaWC said:

The Black Flash said:

Pingman said:

Seems like a great idea to me, but its missing some key tyre info, such as:

Dry performance
Wear rate

Surely these are essential to know when buying a tyre?

Cold weather handling and cornering grip are pretty necessary too.

Yup. But they're not interested in helping people, they're interested in pushing the green agenda.

There's nothing wrong with the green agenda

Well that all depends on how much it costs for the benefits obtained, doesn't it?

[jon-]

Here's another way of looking at it...

The original tyre label ONLY included rolling resistance, it took lobbying from the tyre companies to include wet grip.

Imagine what we'd be saying if that hadn't have happened!

[crofty1984]

I think it's quite a good idea in principle. It would be nice if they added dry grip and wear rates though.

[richb77]

gdaybruce said:

More than once I've been in the waiting areas of major tyre retailers and listened to staff telling customers that there's no difference between some budget brand and the premium brand their car came on. This proposal might not be perfect but at least it should give customers who know nothing about tyres an idea of what they're paying for.

Really?

I have only ever heard the complete opposite, why a Michelin at upwards of 50% premium is SO much better than a Kumho or Toyo when in reality for most ford focus shopping cars it makes almost no difference.

I avoid Budget tyres (chinese tat) at all costs but not medium range tyres (see above mentioned brands) as they can be excellent.

As for this marking system. Surely it is dependant on the car they are fitted to?

[jon-]

richb77 said:

Really?

I have only ever heard the complete opposite, why a Michelin at upwards of 50% premium is SO much better than a Kumho or Toyo when in reality for most ford focus shopping cars it makes almost no difference.

I avoid Budget tyres (chinese tat) at all costs but not medium range tyres (see above mentioned brands) as they can be excellent.

As for this marking system. Surely it is dependant on the car they are fitted to?

It depends where you go, but /most/ tyre garages now make more money selling a "premium midrange" or "premium budget" (whatever that means) thanks to margin erosion on the big brands.

I've lost track of the amount of times "Barum, it's a conti mate, same factory, same tyre", or replace Barum and Conti with Sava and Goodyear, Kleber and Michelin etc etc.

[TobesH]

jon- said:

richb77 said:

Really?

I have only ever heard the complete opposite, why a Michelin at upwards of 50% premium is SO much better than a Kumho or Toyo when in reality for most ford focus shopping cars it makes almost no difference.

I avoid Budget tyres (chinese tat) at all costs but not medium range tyres (see above mentioned brands) as they can be excellent.

As for this marking system. Surely it is dependant on the car they are fitted to?

It depends where you go, but /most/ tyre garages now make more money selling a "premium midrange" or "premium budget" (whatever that means) thanks to margin erosion on the big brands.

I've lost track of the amount of times "Barum, it's a conti mate, same factory, same tyre", or replace Barum and Conti with Sava and Goodyear, Kleber and Michelin etc etc.

Just opted out of Conti's for my Audi - over £800 for a set!!! Instead chose Falken jobbies - they look really good and the car drives great on them, saved over £ 200.

[Fox-]

TobesH said:

Just opted out of Conti's for my Audi - over £800 for a set!!! Instead chose Falken jobbies - they look really good and the car drives great on them, saved over £ 200.

£800 for a set? My Conti's when I had them were less than that and thats even allowing for my ridiculously priced rears. The A4 S-Line doesnt have wider rears, what size are your tyres? I always thought the S-Line A4's on 18's had the same tyre size all round as I have on the front. IF thats the case and they are 235/40/18 then you could have had a full set of Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 fitted for £608 through tyre-shopper at your local branch of National.

IE, the same as you paid for those Falkens, but for premium performance tyres.

[Ninjaboy]

It will just end up like crash tests, the tyres will be built to do well in the measured test to the expense of everything else. It could have been a good idea but the Eu has wasted time and money pushing the green agenda as usual.

[robmw750]

My worry is simple , what about the dolphins . How long before 1 of our newspapers gets a photo of a dolphin with one of the EU sticker on it.

Europe is a great place to visit World War 1 and 2 but "Rumpole" and the boys have nt a clue about anything

[Fireblade69]

The EU bods in charge of motoring should really just post ideas on PH and then learn from the responses when peeps rip all the piss-poorly thought out ideas apart and then take them away and redo them and then release the modified ones. Come to think of it, don't they have a consultation period in law for stuff like this before they implement it? Maybe we should just do it on that.

For the record, I have Michelin Pilot Power 2CT on my Fireblade, Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetrics on the BMW 328 track car and LingLong last you long time 10 dollah on my POS 30k miles PA Mundaneo estate because I don't drive like a prick in it and don't want to waste £600 every 6 months on our piss poor roads.

[jon-]

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