RE: Jaguar F-Type: confirmed

[A Scotsman]

will-w said:

Am I the only one upset by it being turned into a soft top?

Personally speaking I found the concept to be an absolute stunner

+1 ...

[sumpoil]

the lower side/sill area and lower front corners are certainly different, but these are no doubt plastic appendages and hopefully will be reinstated when the final undisguised car is revealed .....

.... in which case i'll take the coupe with side opening rear hatch, thank you very much.

[Twincam16]

MSTRBKR said:

Trevor M said:

Well, let's see...

The E-Type completely rewrote the book in 1962. It was born a legend. The E-Type was:
1) "The most beautiful car ever made" (according to Enzo Ferrari).
2) The faster than any production Maserati, Aston Martin or Ferrari including the 1962 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB.
3) Less expensive than any of them by a LONG shot.
4) More technically advanced than them with its fully independent suspension.
5) Celebrities and the rich and famous SCRAMBLED to be the first among their friends to own one.

So, let's see...

What is the F-Type going to offer? Hmmm... looking over the photos, the projected specs, the rest of it, the other brilliant cars on the market it's going to go up against. So how will it compare with...well...

What a disastrous non-entity this car is going to be. You fools.

What would you suggest they do different then if you're so good at this sort of thing? Times change, e type was 50 years ago. They can't make the fastest car in the world because it won't make money. And it IS beautiful.

This car hasn't even been shown and people are stating it. Its a shame its camouflaged because it looks fantastic. I said it further up, they've blown it by cammoing it.

You know nothing about this car yet, wait and see. You may be surprised.

And for anyone worried the hard top is dead, read the autocar article...

Edited by MSTRBKR on Thursday 5th April 08:32

Well, it's not that they couldn't make money on it if they built it, it's just that it'd be well-nigh-on impossible to do for the kind of money the E-type sold for.

In reality, the E-type did more like 141mph. Point was, it was still within a few mph of the fastest cars in the world at the time. It also cost £2k at a time when a similar-performing Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing cost twice that.

So, the equivalent car these days would need to do at least 200mph and cost half the price of an SLS AMG. That car costs £168.5k, so you're looking at, say, £85k for a 200mph supercar. Try doing that for the money - you just can't.

[kambites]

braddo said:

What size is the car? V8 Vantage dimensions or more compact?

I will be (very pleasantly) shocked if this weighs less than 1500kg. It won't be lightweight but it will be very much a step in the right direction.

And please, Jaguar, no oversized wheels - 17 inch standard with perhaps 18 inch maximum, with wheelarches to match. Play the unsprung mass card to go with the alumimium/lightweight marketing and help reverse the trend of stupidly oversize wheels.

I don't think they can get away with calling it "light weight" and making it nearly 200kg heavier than the Boxster (which seems to be the car it's primarily being marketed at). I'd guess they'll be aiming at the Boxster's weight but probably wont manage to hit it. Even the SLK is only just over 1500kg in 3.5 litre form. Their own XK is only 1650kg and that's got a 5.0 V8 and four(ish) seats so they must be able to get it well short of that.

I think I realistically expect about 1400kg. Anything below that would be a bonus, anything above it would be abject failure.

I totally agree about the wheels - less than 15kg total wheel/tyre weight per corner please. Oh and a manual gearbox, at least as an option.

[Pugsey]

Skater12 said:

DavidCane said:

Skater12 said:

Agreed, the shutlines are the same, proportions are the same and what small details you can see thrgouh the Camo (ie door handles) are the same. This is going to be as close to the concept as the Evoque was to its concept.

Anyone with a good enough relationship with their nearest Jag dealer needs to get an early order in NOW.
Black with light or red interior please !

Did that 18 months ago Nice to have the option of being the first. If I don't like it when it finally breaks cover I can cancel or pass it on so nothing lost.

[kambites]

Twincam16 said:

So, the equivalent car these days would need to do at least 200mph and cost half the price of an SLS AMG. That car costs £168.5k, so you're looking at, say, £85k for a 200mph supercar. Try doing that for the money - you just can't.

The Nissan GTR comes pretty damned close.

[spice]

https://f-type.jaguar.com/gb/en/three.aspx

[needham]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Come on Jaguar what are you doing?

Porsche have stuck with the same simular design for the 911 over the years.

Ford built a new GT40 back in 2005 and it sold.

BMW has the new Mini which will continue to sell by the bucket load.

Build a modern E Type which looks like an E Type but slightly more modern.

Bingo a sales success.

Absolutely agree..an updated version of the E Type would be a winner. This "new" Jag just looks like a slightly slimmer XK. How refreshing it would be for one manufacturer to get away from the boring sameness of model after model perpetuated by the 911, and now by Aston Martin.

[PascalBuyens]

sumpoil][url said:

.... in which case i'll take the coupe with side opening rear hatch, thank you very much.

+1 :-)

[DeadMeat_UK]

I always promised myself I'd never buy another brand new car.

But this (once it's in non-hairdresser form with a proper roof and all that), means I just may have to break that vow.

It seems like it fixes the only two gripes I have with my XKR - size and MPG.
Hybrid makes a lot of sense to me too.

Will be following this with extreme interest as my ownership experience so far has made me a turned me from a non-believer to a huge fan of the brand.

[k-ink]

mackie1 said:

k-ink said:

You'll be lucky to get a V6 in this era. If they intend to follow the future Boxter, then a turbo four pot may sell ok. Assuming Jaguar know how to make a car weigh less than Buckingham Palace. I am not convined on that one.

You mean the Jaguar that built the all aluminium XJ that's lighter than everything it its class?

Now if they can make it half a ton lighter than the XJ we may be getting somewhere.

[Sticklebrick]

PascalBuyens said:

sumpoil][url said:

.... in which case i'll take the coupe with side opening rear hatch, thank you very much.

+1 :-)

Look at the video on the website posted by others here. I think the camoflage is doing a very good job of just that... and is confusing a lot of people. The lines also strike me as being nigh-on identical.

Edited by Sticklebrick on Thursday 5th April 09:57

[Twincam16]

kambites said:

Twincam16 said:

So, the equivalent car these days would need to do at least 200mph and cost half the price of an SLS AMG. That car costs £168.5k, so you're looking at, say, £85k for a 200mph supercar. Try doing that for the money - you just can't.

The Nissan GTR comes pretty damned close.

I guy from an independent Nissan specialist told me they're a timebomb waiting to go off in terms of running costs. He called them 'A £120k car that just happens to sell for £60k'. I suspect in coming years we'll see an awful lot scrapped or smoking around depressingly as services are skipped, and once word gets around, the market will split - only the truly wealthy will want to run them.

They are undoubtably great cars, but they just seem like a bit of an illusion in terms of what they offer and what they demand in return. I suspect a lot of people will lose their shirts on them in the medium-term. Difference with the E-type was, it largely used bits from the saloon-car parts-bin. Running one wasn't in the Ferrari league.

[Skater12]

Pugsey said:

Skater12 said:

DavidCane said:

Skater12 said:

Agreed, the shutlines are the same, proportions are the same and what small details you can see thrgouh the Camo (ie door handles) are the same. This is going to be as close to the concept as the Evoque was to its concept.

Anyone with a good enough relationship with their nearest Jag dealer needs to get an early order in NOW.
Black with light or red interior please !

Did that 18 months ago Nice to have the option of being the first. If I don't like it when it finally breaks cover I can cancel or pass it on so nothing lost.

Deoending on the colour and spec, fancy selling your place in the que?? :-)

[ParanoidAndroid]

PascalBuyens said:

ParanoidAndroid said:

Hope the bar across the grill is disguise and will be dropped.

Noticing that on the camo car is what made me think this morning that it doesn't look like the concept...

Looking better at the white prototype pics, I noticed that they blacked out the bar, but it is there...

ParanoidAndroid said:

Also wonder if the black A pillars will stay - they look a bit old fashioned to me

It could be a black car underneath?

Good points well made! Looking at the concept pics I can see the grille bar now, just doesn't stand out as painted matt black but the camo makes it obvious. Also I hadn't thought of the car colour underneath when commenting about the A pillar.... doh!

Edited by PascalBuyens on Thursday 5th April 09:28

[kambites]

Was the same true of the E-Type, though? I have no idea what its running costs were like compared to other sports cars on the market at the time.

[PascalBuyens]

ParanoidAndroid said:

PascalBuyens said:

ParanoidAndroid said:

Hope the bar across the grill is disguise and will be dropped.

Noticing that on the camo car is what made me think this morning that it doesn't look like the concept...

Looking better at the white prototype pics, I noticed that they blacked out the bar, but it is there...

ParanoidAndroid said:

Also wonder if the black A pillars will stay - they look a bit old fashioned to me

It could be a black car underneath?

Good points well made! Looking at the concept pics I can see the grille bar now, just doesn't stand out as painted matt black but the camo makes it obvious. Also I hadn't thought of the car colour underneath when commenting about the A pillar.... doh!

Edited by PascalBuyens on Thursday 5th April 09:28

I wasn't really awake this morning too when I made my first comment...

Looking at all the info (like the vid I didn't see until now), I'm tempted to withdraw my comment about it being different.

Which doesn't mean I prefer the coupe over the convertible (although I have to say the red cloth teaser makes it look a LOT sleaker than the camo pics...)

Guess the pics do what they're supposed to do: trick us into speculation

[k-ink]

Twincam16 said:

I guy from an independent Nissan specialist told me they're a timebomb waiting to go off in terms of running costs.

One guy on here yesterday reckons he'll keep his forever. Good luck with that

[Wozy68]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Come on Jaguar what are you doing?

Porsche have stuck with the same simular design for the 911 over the years.

Ford built a new GT40 back in 2005 and it sold.

BMW has the new Mini which will continue to sell by the bucket load.

Build a modern E Type which looks like an E Type but slightly more modern.

Bingo a sales success.

Yup +1 I'd have one on order now if it was a modern version of the Fastback E Type ....... hang on there was an original convertable aswell, so maybe with this one ....... there will be a simlair FHC with a rear hatch.

Who knows

[Wozy68]

Twincam16 said:

Well, it's not that they couldn't make money on it if they built it, it's just that it'd be well-nigh-on impossible to do for the kind of money the E-type sold for.

In reality, the E-type did more like 141mph. Point was, it was still within a few mph of the fastest cars in the world at the time. It also cost £2k at a time when a similar-performing Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing cost twice that.

So, the equivalent car these days would need to do at least 200mph and cost half the price of an SLS AMG. That car costs £168.5k, so you're looking at, say, £85k for a 200mph supercar. Try doing that for the money - you just can't.

The original E Type was massivily underpriced for what was one of the Worlds most beautiful cars at the time. If it had been a third more expensive then it would have been still great value for money.

To my mind it has no reason to follow the traditional role where cost is involved..... Mercs for example are two a penny these days and Jaguar should not have to be loads cheaper.

Edited by Wozy68 on Thursday 5th April 10:17