RE: Jaguar F-Type: confirmed
Discussion
Fetchez la vache said:
Pretty sure jag said the side opening hatch is a non-starter. Shame.
Yeah, shame... But as always, many prototype features don't make it into production.I could live with a "normal" opening hatch though, as long as it keeps the prototypes lines, and comes in coupe form
kambites said:
Looks to me as if the front overhang is substantially more bulky on this than on the concept, which makes the whole car look much less elegant (and probably wont do wonders for the weight distribution). It took me a while to work out why it reminds me of the Fiat Barchetta, but that's it - it looks as if the lines have been compromised by the need to install a transverse engine driving the wrong wheels (although I know it's not).
I suspect that's the only way they could get the traditional low bonnet line whilst complying with the anti-Darwin pedestrian legislation. I agree it looks oddly FWD-ish. Edited by kambites on Thursday 5th April 09:05
It is designed to be a direct 911 rival with prices of £50-80k so I was told. Coupe version to follow around a year later. 3 engine options 2 x V6 versions (different power outputs) and potentially an 'R' version with 5ltr Supercharged V8. I saw an early full size model and must say I like it, coupe would be where my money goes though.
jimmyV8 said:
It is designed to be a direct 911 rival with prices of £50-80k so I was told. Coupe version to follow around a year later. 3 engine options 2 x V6 versions (different power outputs) and potentially an 'R' version with 5ltr Supercharged V8. I saw an early full size model and must say I like it, coupe would be where my money goes though.
no diesel? shame.Black S2K said:
kambites said:
Looks to me as if the front overhang is substantially more bulky on this than on the concept, which makes the whole car look much less elegant (and probably wont do wonders for the weight distribution). It took me a while to work out why it reminds me of the Fiat Barchetta, but that's it - it looks as if the lines have been compromised by the need to install a transverse engine driving the wrong wheels (although I know it's not).
I suspect that's the only way they could get the traditional low bonnet line whilst complying with the anti-Darwin pedestrian legislation. I agree it looks oddly FWD-ish. Edited by kambites on Thursday 5th April 09:05
mat777 said:
Am I missing something here? So the f-type is going to be a sporty 2-seater coupe to rival stuff from Porsche, I gather?
So what exactly are the Mk1 and Current XK models then??
XK is a Grand Tourer. Long legged cruiser that can cut a dash round a twisty if it needs to but lacks the initial turn in sureness and needs a millisecond to settle.So what exactly are the Mk1 and Current XK models then??
It's also a physically big car to manage compared to the deftness of a 911.
Although it appears to be able to keep up with a turbo in a straight line though as I found out the other day
911 is more GT than it used to be, but not as much as the panamamamamamera is, and more so than the Boxter is. It's still more of a sports car than the XKR is though.
The F type sounds like it's going to be more closely aligned with the current 911 market, slightly more sporty and happy in the tighter twisties, but still comfortable for a long run and still seen as a premium car.
It'll also be more modern thinking and economical (nee green) than the thirsty V8 XKs which just throw petrol at the problem (which is no bad thing for some people hence an additional line of cars rather than a replacement).
MSTRBKR said:
bnracing said:
I am so disappointed the C-X16 looked amazing. But this thing has none of the detailed styling the C-X16 has that makes it looks so good. Gutted
Its camouflaged to hide all the detail... Can this be bolded and capitalized at the top of the article?!OH GOD CAR NOT LOOK LIKE I THINK COS GOT STICKERS OH NOES I AM DISAPPOINT. I WILL NOT BE TRADING IN MY 205 DIESEL FOR THIS.
kambites said:
jimmyV8 said:
It is designed to be a direct 911 rival with prices of £50-80k so I was told.
So it'll have four seats? Sounds rather close to the XK, then; I'd far rather see them produce a Boxster/Cayman competitor. DeadMeat_UK said:
kambites said:
jimmyV8 said:
It is designed to be a direct 911 rival with prices of £50-80k so I was told.
So it'll have four seats? Sounds rather close to the XK, then; I'd far rather see them produce a Boxster/Cayman competitor. 
I couldn't care less where the engine is, but I'd say the XK is pretty close to a "direct 911 competitor", I can't see how this could be one without being almost a direct rival for the XK.
kambites said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
kambites said:
jimmyV8 said:
It is designed to be a direct 911 rival with prices of £50-80k so I was told.
So it'll have four seats? Sounds rather close to the XK, then; I'd far rather see them produce a Boxster/Cayman competitor. I couldn't care less where the engine is, but I'd say the XK is pretty close to a "direct 911 competitor", I can't see how this could be one without being almost a direct rival for the XK.Others want something a bit smaller, more MPG, more nimble sports car but can do a bit of the GT when needed.
Some people will sit in the middle and be undecided, but will probably buy one of the two of them.
See what I mean about the sliding scale? It doesn't have to sit absolutely alongside the 911 to pull sales from them, it need to fit in it's own range.
I own an XKR. I'd rather have an F Type Coupe if it meets expectation as I have compromised some of the things I liked about the 911 to have the Jag. I'd like the best of both.
kambites said:
I understand that, of course, but I still think that for the F-Type to sit enough to the "sports car" side of that scale from the XK, it will be competing more with the Boxster/Cayman (which are far better sports cars than the basic 911) than the 911.
I don't think you're wrong - it will also be a rival car to Cayman/Boxter but it would most like to be seen to rival 911. My next car could easily be another 911 if the F Type doesn't actually stack up. Or could stick with XKR for another few years! I don't want a cayman/boxster because I'm old and I've "done" the sports car thing with Elises and a 993 and I need my GT comforts now I'd be happy with all the other options - it's all fine and blurred lines I think. No-one can ever prove one is "better" than the other - though plenty of people will try. And on PH, probably they'll try while they're only seeing a disguised mule
In truth a buyer can sit in the middle of all of them and depending on the wind direction/preference of the missus/ perception they want the outside world to have of them, choose any of the 4 and get a damn good car that does most things equally as well as all the others.
Twincam16 said:
kambites said:
Was the same true of the E-Type, though? I have no idea what its running costs were like compared to other sports cars on the market at the time.
18-24mpg was good in the early '60s for a sports car, you got similar economy from an MGB. As for parts and servicing, it shared its various bits with the 3.8-litre Mk2 - not the cheapest car to run, granted, but sufficiently cost-effective for the Police to run entire fleets of them. Parts had been around for donkey's years, and were plentiful and mass-produced.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff