RE: Jaguar F-Type: confirmed

[anonymous-user]

Trevor M said:

Well, let's see...

The E-Type completely rewrote the book in 1962. It was born a legend. The E-Type was:
1) "The most beautiful car ever made" (according to Enzo Ferrari).
2) The faster than any production Maserati, Aston Martin or Ferrari including the 1962 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB.
3) Less expensive than any of them by a LONG shot.
4) More technically advanced than them with its fully independent suspension.
5) Celebrities and the rich and famous SCRAMBLED to be the first among their friends to own one.

So, let's see...

What is the F-Type going to offer? Hmmm... looking over the photos, the projected specs, the rest of it, the other brilliant cars on the market it's going to go up against. So how will it compare with...well...

What a disastrous non-entity this car is going to be. You fools.

What would you suggest they do different then if you're so good at this sort of thing? Times change, e type was 50 years ago. They can't make the fastest car in the world because it won't make money. And it IS beautiful.

This car hasn't even been shown and people are stating it. Its a shame its camouflaged because it looks fantastic. I said it further up, they've blown it by cammoing it.

You know nothing about this car yet, wait and see. You may be surprised.

And for anyone worried the hard top is dead, read the autocar article...

Edited by MSTRBKR on Thursday 5th April 08:32

[anonymous-user]

Doofus said:

Why is everyone so obsessed with convertibles?

This Jaguar will launch as a convertible; just about everything else on the road has a folding-roof option; they're even doing a convertible RR FFS!

I'm looking for a year old 6-series, and 99 out of every hundred of them are soft tops too!

I've nothing against them per se (I do have two soft top classics), but I just don't understand the obsession.

We've always loved our convertibles - it's an historical thing.

[DavidCane]

Skater12 said:

Agreed, the shutlines are the same, proportions are the same and what small details you can see thrgouh the Camo (ie door handles) are the same. This is going to be as close to the concept as the Evoque was to its concept.

[Chapppers]

Doofus said:

Why is everyone so obsessed with convertibles?

This Jaguar will launch as a convertible; just about everything else on the road has a folding-roof option; they're even doing a convertible RR FFS!

I'm looking for a year old 6-series, and 99 out of every hundred of them are soft tops too!

I've nothing against them per se (I do have two soft top classics), but I just don't understand the obsession.

For me, it's the head room. 13 billion light years of it.

[KP]

Skater12 said:

Agreed. Slight change to the front bumper but thats about it for me!

KP.

[Skater12]

DavidCane said:

Skater12 said:

Agreed, the shutlines are the same, proportions are the same and what small details you can see thrgouh the Camo (ie door handles) are the same. This is going to be as close to the concept as the Evoque was to its concept.

Anyone with a good enough relationship with their nearest Jag dealer needs to get an early order in NOW.
Black with light or red interior please !

[chimpanzee]

The point of camouflage is to disguise what it looks like. So, therefore, you don't know what it looks like.

This can be debated.

But to form opinion whether you like it or not? Idiotic.

[KP]

And another thing, IMO whilst the previous concept cars were undoubtedly beautiful, these modern designs are where Jaguar need to be.

The C, D & E types were not designed with a eye on the past (didn't see running boards on them!) and nor should the new F.

They tried and failed with the retro S and X Types - Retro design will not promote some of the industry leading modern technology (engines, hybrid power, aluminium construction, chassis etc) that Jaguar currently possesses.

Cars like the XF, XJ and F will significantly attract younger buyers such as myself.

Cheers,

KP.

[Dan XJR]

From looking at the camo pic Vs the CX-16, the lines etc look the same to my eye!

Can't wait .

[PascalBuyens]

Skater12 said:

0000 said:

PascalBuyens said:

Even with the camouflage, I think you can tell it's NOT going to look like the CX-16 concept.

Shame because if it does come anything close (like the Evoque to the concept car), Jaguar would have my money in the blink of an eye...

Based on first looks now? No thanks, I'll pass...

I'm inclined to agree.




Am I the only person to think it looks EXACTLY the same as the concept?
The difference between the pictured cars is one's a drop top, the other isnt.
Look closely at every design detail, and the only bits missing other than a fixed roof are vents and crease lines etc, which are so very easily covered with the wrap the drop top has all over it.
Look at each panel and compare it to the other car, and you'll see what I mean.

Looking at it again, and now that I'm a bit more awake... I noticed that the cross bar in the front vents is there too (pic of the white car pictured a few pages ago, where it is blacked out). To me, this morning, that looked like a pretty big difference, and one that made the car look a lot interesting. But as has been said, shows just how effective the camo is. For me it made me realize that it's not an "open mouthed" Jag

[kambites]

Looks to me as if the front overhang is substantially more bulky on this than on the concept, which makes the whole car look much less elegant (and probably wont do wonders for the weight distribution). It took me a while to work out why it reminds me of the Fiat Barchetta, but that's it - it looks as if the lines have been compromised by the need to install a transverse engine driving the wrong wheels (although I know it's not).

Edited by kambites on Thursday 5th April 09:05

[ParanoidAndroid]

I think it looks pretty much spot on to the concept car although admit it's difficult to tell with the camo. Hope the bar across the grill is disguise and will be dropped. Also wonder if the black A pillars will stay - they look a bit old fashioned to me. Other than that looks great to me.

However, I definately prefer the coupe, the roof line adds much more drama to the shape, particularly if they keep the e-type style hatch.

Edited by ParanoidAndroid on Thursday 5th April 09:09

[Ozzie Osmond]

We'd better wait for the finished item because that disguised prototype looks to my eye like a cross between an MGF and Honda S2000, which is not a good thing!

[B10]

fatboy b said:

B10 said:

fatboy b said:

muppet42 said:

Am I right in saying that the 80's F-Type ended up becoming the DB7 in the end? At least in parts?

No. F-type never made it off the drawing board. When it was shelved, there were debates over whether it would be front, or mid-engined.

DB7 was based on an XJ-S floorpan and running gear and I6 engine.

Not entirely true. Various prototypes were made of the XJ41 and XJ42 but Ford canned teh projects. However the Ken Helfet styling did become the DB7 after some small tweaks by Ian Callum.

Hmmm. I'd question your facts there. DB7 was launched in 1994. So it must have been penciled around '91.

F-Type was canned in 2002.

You are referring to a later F type concept. Look up XJ41 and XJ42, they were the project codes for the XJ40 based F type.

[braddo]

What size is the car? V8 Vantage dimensions or more compact?

I will be (very pleasantly) shocked if this weighs less than 1500kg. It won't be lightweight but it will be very much a step in the right direction.

And please, Jaguar, no oversized wheels - 17 inch standard with perhaps 18 inch maximum, with wheelarches to match. Play the unsprung mass card to go with the alumimium/lightweight marketing and help reverse the trend of stupidly oversize wheels.

[PascalBuyens]

ParanoidAndroid said:

Hope the bar across the grill is disguise and will be dropped.

Noticing that on the camo car is what made me think this morning that it doesn't look like the concept...

Looking better at the white prototype pics, I noticed that they blacked out the bar, but it is there...

ParanoidAndroid said:

Also wonder if the black A pillars will stay - they look a bit old fashioned to me

It could be a black car underneath?

Edited by PascalBuyens on Thursday 5th April 09:28

[excel monkey]

V8A*ndy said:

Needs 400+ BHP and a folding metal roof....

If they pull that off and it drives well then Jaguar have got my money.

That's the XK's market, isn't it?

I would have thought 300-odd bhp and a lightweight fabric roof would be more appropriate.

[Pugsey]

V8A*ndy said:

Needs 400+ BHP and a folding metal roof....

If they pull that off and it drives well then Jaguar have got my money.

Noooo! Cloth roof please.

[Wills2]

The concept looked stunning and to my untrained eye almost production ready, but the camouflaged pics seem to show a SWB XK with boxster style exhausts.

Jaguar have form for showing great concepts then they either don't build them or if they do what gets into production bares little resemblance to the pre production marketing hype they came out with, gas turbines indeed! (I'll bare my arse in Boots if that engine gets built)

I would say I'm a target customer for Jag as I have a F10, Z4C and 911 all sectors where they need to grow sales and eat into the Germans dominance but they have a mountain to climb.

Despite all the glowing praise the likes of PH/Autocar/Car/EVO heap on the XF, XJ and XK the current sales performance remains woeful, neither versions of the latest 2.2XF are selling well enough they need to do better, and I want them to as it is jobs for the UK.

Lets hope this car lives up to the concept hype and that it translates into sales.

[urquattro]

Ozzie Osmond said:

We'd better wait for the finished item because that disguised prototype looks to my eye like a cross between an MGF and Honda S2000, which is not a good thing!

Agree, waist line too high, small glass area, rear end too bulky and car appears a bulky profile, soft top looks worse than an mgb, I am biased as the red 4.2 series 1 FHC E Type gets uploaded often and this car has none of the E Type elegance, it looks to short/bulky for a balanced design.
Just re-engineer the E Type to produce a modern car, it has never lost its appeal and soft top engineering has moved on light years since 1961 etc.
just personal view and biased plus old.