STOLEN: BMW 535d East London

STOLEN: BMW 535d East London

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StottyZr

6,860 posts

163 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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yikes Best of luck frown

ArsE92

21,013 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Jeez - sorry to hear this.

Another victim of what appears to be this simple key-copying trick?

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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eastsider said:
Yes I believe so. There is long thread about it in the BMW General forum. Only mystery is how they get into the car without smashing window or alarm going off. But once in it seems any 2007-2011 ish BMW with a key that inserts into dash slot can be easily coded to the car in minutes.
Jesus.. that's worrying! Good luck getting the car back, or at least a hassle free payout from the insurers!

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

211 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Transmitter picks up your key send to open. Then there is another method to get it to start car. It's complicated. Expensive but profitable.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

244 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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eastsider said:
Mile End/Bow London E3.

<Reg Removed> BMW 535d M Sport saloon, Carbon black, beige leather interior, 19" alloys, 53,500 miles. Alarm, immobiliser, tracker. Tracker are looking for it at the moment.
You sound VERY local to me, so I'll keep the eyes open for the car.

Sorry to say that it will probably not be in the area on that numberplate tho'.


Oli.


Edited by zcacogp on Sunday 10th June 23:16

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Given the location, and the professionalism of the robbers, I'd place a fair bet that it was on the Eurotunnel while you were still asleep. frown

ArsE92

21,013 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Transmitter picks up your key send to open. Then there is another method to get it to start car. It's complicated. Expensive but profitable.
Care to elaborate? Surely the security model uses a rolling code that changes with each use?

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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ArsE92 said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Transmitter picks up your key send to open. Then there is another method to get it to start car. It's complicated. Expensive but profitable.
Care to elaborate? Surely the security model uses a rolling code that changes with each use?
Probably best not eh! rolleyes

Thom987

3,185 posts

166 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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ArsE92 said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Transmitter picks up your key send to open. Then there is another method to get it to start car. It's complicated. Expensive but profitable.
Care to elaborate? Surely the security model uses a rolling code that changes with each use?
Its all available to watch on youtube. I'll not post links, but it isnt hard to find.

They will obviously be using something to block the tracker, which is cheaply and easily available.

ArsE92

21,013 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
ArsE92 said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Transmitter picks up your key send to open. Then there is another method to get it to start car. It's complicated. Expensive but profitable.
Care to elaborate? Surely the security model uses a rolling code that changes with each use?
Probably best not eh! rolleyes
Ok - let's just leave it vague then to worry all the BMW owners. rolleyes

zcacogp

11,239 posts

244 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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ArsE92 said:
Ok - let's just leave it vague then to worry all the BMW owners. rolleyes
As opposed to making it quite clear and explicit, and hence assisting all potential BMW thieves? rolleyes


Oli.

DSS1

183 posts

146 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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zcacogp said:
eastsider said:
Mile End/Bow London E3.

KH57 PUY BMW 535d M Sport saloon, Carbon black, beige leather interior, 19" alloys, 53,500 miles. Alarm, immobiliser, tracker. Tracker are looking for it at the moment.
You sound VERY local to me, so I'll keep the eyes open for the car.

Sorry to say that it will probably not be in the area on that numberplate tho'.


Oli.
Sorry to hear of this mate, I also live in the area whilst spending quite a bit of time on the road - I'll be keeping an eye out.

Daljit.

ArsE92

21,013 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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zcacogp said:
ArsE92 said:
Ok - let's just leave it vague then to worry all the BMW owners. rolleyes
As opposed to making it quite clear and explicit, and hence assisting all potential BMW thieves? rolleyes

Oli.
Oh FFS. I wasn't asking for a step-by-step guide on how to steal a BMW, merely asking for clarification on what "transmitter picks up your key send to open" actually meant.

essayer

9,072 posts

194 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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My understanding is that they block the "locking" signal when you exit the car using a jammer, so the car is unlocked for them to return to at a convenient time.

Then, with easily available hardware, they program a new key to the car which they then use to drive off.

Failing that they get a contact at BMW to make them a new key, but this would surely be difficult to get away with on a long term basis given the paperwork that must get generated.

ArsE92

21,013 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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essayer said:
My understanding is that they block the "locking" signal when you exit the car using a jammer, so the car is unlocked for them to return to at a convenient time.
Ah I see, I have heard of that before. I guess the only way around that is to always make sure your car locks when you blip it.

I understood that "transmitter picks up your key send to open" was suggesting that a device of some kind was 'listening' for a code to open the car, storing it, and using it later. I'd expect that to not be possible.

Thom987

3,185 posts

166 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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ArsE92 said:
I understood that "transmitter picks up your key send to open" was suggesting that a device of some kind was 'listening' for a code to open the car, storing it, and using it later. I'd expect that to not be possible.
I believe it is possible, even more so on the type of key that opens the car as you approach it as it is transmitting at all times, therefor easier to brab the signal.

ArsE92

21,013 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Thom987 said:
ArsE92 said:
I understood that "transmitter picks up your key send to open" was suggesting that a device of some kind was 'listening' for a code to open the car, storing it, and using it later. I'd expect that to not be possible.
I believe it is possible, even more so on the type of key that opens the car as you approach it as it is transmitting at all times, therefor easier to brab the signal.
Indeed. But it's my understanding that that code changes each time it is used so that any code 'grabbed' is actually useless. I'm no expert though!

eastsider

Original Poster:

1,101 posts

223 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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The car did not have "comfort/keyless entry". I also had it set in the vehicle options to lock automatically after 1 minute if left unlocked.

Furthermore I actually checked it was locked last night before locking the house front door from the inside.

It would have been several hours after I parked before they gained entry and took the car. I didn't notice anyone unusual / suspicious hanging around in my (pretty quiet) street. I don't believe someone was there 'grabbing' the signal.

But I'm none the wiser as to how they got in.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

211 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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ArsE92 said:
Ah I see, I have heard of that before. I guess the only way around that is to always make sure your car locks when you blip it.

I understood that "transmitter picks up your key send to open" was suggesting that a device of some kind was 'listening' for a code to open the car, storing it, and using it later. I'd expect that to not be possible.
It does. Lots more to it but in essence they intercept your signal.

eastsider

Original Poster:

1,101 posts

223 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Car found by police parked in West London on false plates. Fair play to tracker, all the cash I have paid them over the last few years paid off when it counted. Apparently undamaged, I haven't seen it yet - police have it for forensic examination for a couple of days.

Very surprised, I was 99% sure it was in a container and heading off to Africa or wherever.