STOLEN BMW 335i (East London, E14)

STOLEN BMW 335i (East London, E14)

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pilchardthecat

7,483 posts

180 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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I assume this only applies to the slot-in-dash type keys, and the barrel keys on the e46/e85 etc are ok?

JT1982

Original Poster:

8 posts

145 months

Saturday 21st April 2012
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stevedalby

4 posts

144 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Woke up yesterday morning - no broken glass, no alarm sounded overnight, no missing keys and no BMW 325d M Sport Touring on my drive (and it was definitely there and locked before we turned in)!!

Stolen in London E14 - the police and insurance companies didn't sound surprised!

After reading the above posts, I get that you can start the cars without the key but how do you get into a locked car? Wondering if the fact that it was at BMW being serviced a couple of months ago has anything to do with it...

David87

6,666 posts

213 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Sorry to hear about your car. How long will it be before it's nearly impossible to insure a BMW in East London?

spud989

2,754 posts

181 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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stevedalby said:
Woke up yesterday morning - no broken glass, no alarm sounded overnight, no missing keys and no BMW 325d M Sport Touring on my drive (and it was definitely there and locked before we turned in)!!

Stolen in London E14 - the police and insurance companies didn't sound surprised!

After reading the above posts, I get that you can start the cars without the key but how do you get into a locked car? Wondering if the fact that it was at BMW being serviced a couple of months ago has anything to do with it...
It wasn't locked. They jammed it.

Fraser Z4

327 posts

174 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Sorry to hear that mate; absolute scumbags! Is this affecting the new BMW models (F10 etc.) or just the E90 generation?

Edited by Fraser Z4 on Thursday 17th May 19:46

steved001

4 posts

144 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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One assumes that these guys have some questions to answer:

http://www.vag-info.com/BMW%20Group%20products.htm

They'll based in Eastern Europe and will blatantly sell to anyone:

"All devices are sold for official use only!!! If you use them for any illeagal purposes, this is your own responsibility!!!"

Their 'Hot' new product is BMW key programming.

ArsE92

21,020 posts

188 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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steved001 said:
One assumes that these guys have some questions to answer:

http://www.vag-info.com/BMW%20Group%20products.htm

They'll based in Eastern Europe and will blatantly sell to anyone:

"All devices are sold for official use only!!! If you use them for any illeagal purposes, this is your own responsibility!!!"

Their 'Hot' new product is BMW key programming.
€8000!

They also conveniently sell the blank keys.

Birdster

2,530 posts

144 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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ArsE92 said:
€8000!

They also conveniently sell the blank keys.
They also "appear" to sell the jammer for the remote key signals.



ArsE92

21,020 posts

188 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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Birdster said:
ArsE92 said:
€8000!

They also conveniently sell the blank keys.
They also "appear" to sell the jammer for the remote key signals.


wkers.

Dr Boxcat

705 posts

170 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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ArsE92 said:
wkers.
1 word

China

Bertrum

467 posts

224 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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spud989 said:
stevedalby said:
Woke up yesterday morning - no broken glass, no alarm sounded overnight, no missing keys and no BMW 325d M Sport Touring on my drive (and it was definitely there and locked before we turned in)!!

Stolen in London E14 - the police and insurance companies didn't sound surprised!

After reading the above posts, I get that you can start the cars without the key but how do you get into a locked car? Wondering if the fact that it was at BMW being serviced a couple of months ago has anything to do with it...
It wasn't locked. They jammed it.
They don't Jam it they scan for and copy the signal. They then swap out the ECU and drive off (probably with a button to start it). My friend had his M3 stolen in this way.

You just don't need a 'key' anymore.

ArsE92

21,020 posts

188 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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Bertrum said:
spud989 said:
stevedalby said:
Woke up yesterday morning - no broken glass, no alarm sounded overnight, no missing keys and no BMW 325d M Sport Touring on my drive (and it was definitely there and locked before we turned in)!!

Stolen in London E14 - the police and insurance companies didn't sound surprised!

After reading the above posts, I get that you can start the cars without the key but how do you get into a locked car? Wondering if the fact that it was at BMW being serviced a couple of months ago has anything to do with it...
It wasn't locked. They jammed it.
They don't Jam it they scan for and copy the signal. They then swap out the ECU and drive off (probably with a button to start it). My friend had his M3 stolen in this way.

You just don't need a 'key' anymore.
Sorry, I don't believe that. I believe that they use a jammer to stop you locking it, then use the ODB port and these tools to program a new key.

Firstly, I'm pretty sure they can't scan and copy the signal from the blipper as it's encrypted with a rolling code. Secondly, I can't imagine thieves walk around with a stock of ECU's. Thirdly, I don't think you could just plonk a new ECU in and expect everything to work.

darkcat

2,344 posts

171 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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wow this really is bad!! i cant believe i've not heard anything about this in the news.

I know its not the responsibility of PH, but maybe as a courtesy it would be an idea to do a news flash email to members, suggesting heightened security?
(i understand that could be a big job so may not be feasible)

NelsonR32

1,688 posts

172 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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darkcat said:
I know its not the responsibility of PH, but maybe as a courtesy it would be an idea to do a news flash email to members, suggesting heightened security?
(i understand that could be a big job so may not be feasible)
Problem is BMW is to Pistonheads what News International is to the Government...

darkcat

2,344 posts

171 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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NelsonR32 said:
darkcat said:
I know its not the responsibility of PH, but maybe as a courtesy it would be an idea to do a news flash email to members, suggesting heightened security?
(i understand that could be a big job so may not be feasible)
Problem is BMW is to Pistonheads what News International is to the Government...
that and i suppose telling EVERYONE that they are easy to steal probably isnt a good plan....

Toaster Pilot

14,621 posts

159 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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The amount of stuff sold by that company linked to above is truly frightening.

Another thing - the only keys they claim to be "ORIGINAL" are the BMW ones - so surely there must be a dodgy source of these within BMW? As far as I can tell the other keys they sell are Chinese copies.

OracIe

149 posts

144 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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I noticed the second guy in thread who had his car stolen stated he had just had his car serviced. Could someone internal just created a third key during the service, waited a week or two and then rocked up, unlocked it and driven off?

Edited by OracIe on Saturday 26th May 12:39


Edited by OracIe on Saturday 26th May 12:40

Brite spark

2,053 posts

202 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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OracIe said:
I noticed the second guy in thread who had his car stolen stated he had just had his car serviced. Could someone internal just created a third key during the service, waited a week or two and then rocked up, unlocked it and driven off?
Whilst its possible, bmw's aren't secure enough for someone to need to do it whilst it's in for a service.

shoehorn

686 posts

144 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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Hi all,Iwas led to this thread through a link and thought it worth a quick mention.
The story goes my sister and her husband bought a 335d M sport and set about reading up on it after purchase.
She was alarmed to find how prevalent this is.
Anyway with this in mind I fitted 2 micro switches into the wiring up to the obd port and hidden about the cabin,one on the power supply to the port and one more for good measure on a(remaining secret)terminal that all scantools/interfaces need.
This kills any attempt to communicate with the vehicle by any means and can be left in the off position until needed,cost about a fiver from Maplins and twenty mins work.

3 nights ago the inevitable happened,returning from work she finds the o/s glass smashed and the obd port cover removed.
Importantly the car was still there.
It may not stop your car getting stolen by other methods but its a damn site more than bmw are doing apparently.