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LukeMR2 said:
I've seen that too but couldn't it be done on any car? As I said BMW said it is up to scratch why would they lie? Sony got hacked last year not because there security wasn't up to par it was because some whizz kid wanted enough to hack them. With all the computers in cars nowadays they are easy to exploit if somebody has the will power to do it.
So what your saying basically is that your happy to buy a new Yale lock for your front door, just to discover it can be opened by master key and then blame the thieves because they acquired one ? LukeMR2 said:
I've seen that too but couldn't it be done on any car? As I said BMW said it is up to scratch why would they lie? Sony got hacked last year not because there security wasn't up to par it was because some whizz kid wanted enough to hack them. With all the computers in cars nowadays they are easy to exploit if somebody has the will power to do it.
Yes however there is apparently a dead zone in the interior cars alarm system which means someone can break the window on the side of the obd port and then reach in plug into the obd and recode a new key without setting off the alarm.This whole situation is caused by there being no apparent security on the obd system to prevent just anybody from plugging and coding a new key to the car.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Yes however there is apparently a dead zone in the interior cars alarm system which means someone can break the window on the side of the obd port and then reach in plug into the obd and recode a new key without setting off the alarm.
This whole situation is caused by there being no apparent security on the obd system to prevent just anybody from plugging and coding a new key to the car.
If that's the case then fair enough but according to BMW there is nothing wrong with the system. So either BMW are in denial or somebody's been talking out their arse about how the thieves are getting in the cars. I just think if there was something wrong with the system they would fix it and not jeopardize their brand by lying through their teeth.This whole situation is caused by there being no apparent security on the obd system to prevent just anybody from plugging and coding a new key to the car.
Edited by LukeMR2 on Sunday 22 April 16:35
TallbutBuxomly said:
Yes however there is apparently a dead zone in the interior cars alarm system which means someone can break the window on the side of the obd port and then reach in plug into the obd and recode a new key without setting off the alarm.
This whole situation is caused by there being no apparent security on the obd system to prevent just anybody from plugging and coding a new key to the car.
If that's the case then fair enough but according to BMW there is nothing wrong with the system. So either BMW are in denial or somebody's been talking out their arse about how the thieves are getting in the cars. I just think if there was something wrong with the system they would fix it and not jeopardize their brand by lying through their teeth.This whole situation is caused by there being no apparent security on the obd system to prevent just anybody from plugging and coding a new key to the car.
Edited by LukeMR2 on Sunday 22 April 16:37
LukeMR2 said:
If that's the case then fair enough but according to BMW there is nothing wrong with the alarm. So either BMW are in denial or somebody's been talking out their arse about how the thieves are getting in the cars. I just think if there was something wrong with the alarm the would fix it and not jeopardize their brand by lying through their teeth.
Such as with the cracking 19 inch wheels issue where they refused to acknowledge a problem till BBC watchdog got involved and embarrassed them about it.A simple hypothetical here for you which I put to them.
Said scrote finds you have an m3 he wants. He goes out and buys a jammer and a coder. You come home get out the car and as you walk away you press the button to lock it however he is using the jammer and blocks the car from locking.
Lets say you notice it won't lock and assume its some issue with the key even though these days most people wont notice. You go indoors to find your spare key. As soon as you are out of sight scrote runs up to the car plugs in and begins coding a new key to your car.
Not sure how long it takes but from YouTube vid looks like 40 to 60 secs max for someone who knows what they are doing
At which point he can start the car and drive away. So lets call it outside window 2 minutes to steal your car and that's being very generous with timings.
Edited by TallbutBuxomly on Sunday 22 April 16:52
LukeMR2 said:
If that's the case then fair enough but according to BMW there is nothing wrong with the system. So either BMW are in denial or somebody's been talking out their arse about how the thieves are getting in the cars. I just think if there was something wrong with the system they would fix it and not jeopardize their brand by lying through their teeth.
BMW are simply stating they meet all EU security, Thatcham regulations etc.Which means there is probably no rule/reg on coding of keys.
If you want to code a new key to a VAG group vehicle you need the SKC code, which a dealer can obtain, or could be obtained with some specialist software. So that adds a difficult point to the process. You might also need to have the ignition on (i.e. use an existing key) to pair a new key but I'm not sure.
It would seem BMWs don't have any of this (they also don't have a key blade these days so any blank key will do) so are therefore easy to steal.
It should be fixible with a calibration change on the CAS module.
For all you guys wondering where the key blanks are coming from ...
that keyprogtools website on their BMW page has the one line comment.
P.S We sell original Keys
http://www.keyprogtools.com/bmw/
frickin scary website for any modern car owner - but none look as easy as BMW.
Simes.
that keyprogtools website on their BMW page has the one line comment.
P.S We sell original Keys
http://www.keyprogtools.com/bmw/
frickin scary website for any modern car owner - but none look as easy as BMW.
Simes.
LukeMR2 said:
fatboy69 said:
The annoying thing is that once BMW do something about the problem (or not as the case maybe) the thieves will simply move onto anther marque & target them so the same problem will happen for those unfortunate owners who have their p & j nicked.
It's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little f
kers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off!
If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today.
^^ThisIt's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little f
kers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off!If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today.
Dave Hedgehog said:
they know, i suspect they cant respond or act public for fear of admitting liability and having to fork over chunks of money
however a slow fix will damage the brand immensely
This was the point of my email to BMW. Saying we are aware and investigating claims of a possible flaw in our cars system is not grounds for a legal claim I expect but would reassure customers instead of "there is no problems".however a slow fix will damage the brand immensely
Blaming BMW for this is a little bit like blaming Bill Gates for the fact that 98% of computer viruses attack Windows. It's very very rare that any digital system or protection is totally uncrackable. The public demands keyless entry, I'm sure BMW licensed the technology from a specialist, and who knows who else has access to the source code. Furthermore it's understandable they'll want to find a solution before admitting there's an issue. Looks like BMWs aren't the only ones being stolen, anyway.
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