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Dave 500
1,956 posts
111 months
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So 14 BMW Key Programmers on ebay.
Who wants to get one and see if it really is as easy as people are saying.
Also I can't believe how many clips are on youtube telling you how to do it.
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Rowan138
213 posts
20 months
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perhaps we could all buy key programmers and go to bimmer stealerships and tell them we can have the car free if we can defeat thier apparently inpenetrable security system 
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Dave Hedgehog
5,320 posts
73 months
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Rowan138 said: perhaps we could all buy key programmers and go to bimmer stealerships and tell them we can have the car free if we can defeat thier apparently inpenetrable security system take the a hidden watchdog crew, that would get BMWs attention
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CoolHands
1,822 posts
64 months
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can't one if you with a BMW leave your window down, lock the car, and then see if you can slowly snake your arm in to the obd port? Ie test out this hypothesis?
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blank
1,787 posts
57 months
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LukeMR2 said: If that's the case then fair enough but according to BMW there is nothing wrong with the system. So either BMW are in denial or somebody's been talking out their arse about how the thieves are getting in the cars. I just think if there was something wrong with the system they would fix it and not jeopardize their brand by lying through their teeth. BMW are simply stating they meet all EU security, Thatcham regulations etc. Which means there is probably no rule/reg on coding of keys. If you want to code a new key to a VAG group vehicle you need the SKC code, which a dealer can obtain, or could be obtained with some specialist software. So that adds a difficult point to the process. You might also need to have the ignition on (i.e. use an existing key) to pair a new key but I'm not sure. It would seem BMWs don't have any of this (they also don't have a key blade these days so any blank key will do) so are therefore easy to steal. It should be fixible with a calibration change on the CAS module.
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Ved
1,447 posts
44 months
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Has anyone had a reply to their Watchdog emails yet?
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51mes
705 posts
69 months
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For all you guys wondering where the key blanks are coming from ... that keyprogtools website on their BMW page has the one line comment. P.S We sell original Keys http://www.keyprogtools.com/bmw/frickin scary website for any modern car owner - but none look as easy as BMW. Simes.
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jason s4
1,603 posts
39 months
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Mr-B
482 posts
63 months
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Should someone high up in BMW be given a link to that website?
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jason s4
1,603 posts
39 months
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Mr-B said: Should someone high up in BMW be given a link to that website? Cant hurt i guess. Maybe if they actually see the proof, they may do something?
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Dave Hedgehog
5,320 posts
73 months
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Mr-B said: Should someone high up in BMW be given a link to that website? they know, i suspect they cant respond or act public for fear of admitting liability and having to fork over chunks of money however a slow fix will damage the brand immensely
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Herbs
2,226 posts
98 months
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LukeMR2 said: fatboy69 said: The annoying thing is that once BMW do something about the problem (or not as the case maybe) the thieves will simply move onto anther marque & target them so the same problem will happen for those unfortunate owners who have their p & j nicked. It's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little f  kers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off! If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today. ^^This +1,000
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TallbutBuxomly
11,829 posts
85 months
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Dave Hedgehog said: they know, i suspect they cant respond or act public for fear of admitting liability and having to fork over chunks of money
however a slow fix will damage the brand immensely This was the point of my email to BMW. Saying we are aware and investigating claims of a possible flaw in our cars system is not grounds for a legal claim I expect but would reassure customers instead of "there is no problems".
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vsonix
1,063 posts
32 months
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Blaming BMW for this is a little bit like blaming Bill Gates for the fact that 98% of computer viruses attack Windows. It's very very rare that any digital system or protection is totally uncrackable. The public demands keyless entry, I'm sure BMW licensed the technology from a specialist, and who knows who else has access to the source code. Furthermore it's understandable they'll want to find a solution before admitting there's an issue. Looks like BMWs aren't the only ones being stolen, anyway.
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GTIR
19,072 posts
135 months
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If anyone in the Cambridge area wants to borrow a disklok they are welcome. I have a Merc so I'm ok. (for now, but I want it back if Mercs get attacked!)
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Thom987
3,185 posts
35 months
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Surely these key programmers cant be bought for as little as £90?
I thought they were £10k+ meaning your average thief couldnt afford one.
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crocodile tears
755 posts
15 months
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Thom987 said: Surely these key programmers cant be bought for as little as £90?
I thought they were £10k+ meaning your average thief couldnt afford one. seen for £100-1000+.. prices range drastically due to nature of the item. would also need extras in some cases such as blockers and keys anyone else feel this is turning into a 'how to steal new bmws' educational thread?
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Steffan
6,178 posts
97 months
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crocodile tears said: Thom987 said: Surely these key programmers cant be bought for as little as £90?
I thought they were £10k+ meaning your average thief couldnt afford one. seen for £100-1000+.. prices range drastically due to nature of the item. would also need extras in some cases such as blockers and keys anyone else feel this is turning into a 'how to steal new bmws' educational thread? There are other threads on this subject on PH. As yet not one has managed to produce any constructive response from BMW, who would appear to be in denial. My own thoughts are a watchdog type of approach is needed. Certainly listing the ways in which these thefts are being perpetrated seems to me to be not generally supporting the ripped off owners effectively. I do hope the constant publicity has the effect of stopping the thefts. Not as yet it hasn't.
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TallbutBuxomly
11,829 posts
85 months
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Thom987 said: Surely these key programmers cant be bought for as little as £90?
I thought they were £10k+ meaning your average thief couldnt afford one. Look at it another way. Even a mere 15k earned for a stolen bmw m1/m3 pays for the kit. Car theft to crims is like any business.
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Atterz
12 posts
13 months
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 Wow a car key, keyless entry? What a load of s te.
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