RE: PH Fleet: BMW M5 (E28)
Discussion
Loplop said:
GBB said:
Is now a good time to post this one up? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
E28 but not M5 (though may not be as good underneath as it looks on top, given sellers are Classics Garage)
The E34 M5 seems the ultimate M carnation to me in many ways but I keep pulling myself towards the e39 as a better real world alternative, plus the V8 Soundtrack.
It's lucky I don't have anywhere to store stuff (or at least anything bigger than an E30) otherwise I'd be seriously skint.
Love the M5 Chris, still remember your Autocar column about it (with Garlick's photos). IIRC one of the younger staffers on CAR also had an E28 in some format back in the mid 2000's.
Not to take away anything from the E39 M5 as any E39 regardless of engine has a rather accomplished chassis matched with fantastic looks and build quality, it's just the E34 seems to out last them, VANOS is a complete headache and there are a lot more unique bits on an E39 than an E34, plus take into account ~35mpg on a run in a 3.8 6Spd isn't uncommon whereas you're looking at mid twenties in an E39, I would believe the the E34 to be a better real world alternative. E28 but not M5 (though may not be as good underneath as it looks on top, given sellers are Classics Garage)
The E34 M5 seems the ultimate M carnation to me in many ways but I keep pulling myself towards the e39 as a better real world alternative, plus the V8 Soundtrack.
It's lucky I don't have anywhere to store stuff (or at least anything bigger than an E30) otherwise I'd be seriously skint.
Love the M5 Chris, still remember your Autocar column about it (with Garlick's photos). IIRC one of the younger staffers on CAR also had an E28 in some format back in the mid 2000's.
Edited by GBB on Tuesday 17th April 17:16
I've only driven the E34 at around town speeds and I must say it was unbelievably easy to do, there's quite a bit of driveline smack when changing gear regardless of how soft you are with your changes, however the ride isn't at all harsh and the engine is unbelievably flexible and is no harder to drive than the E39 528i touring I also drive occasionally.
And yet... I still remember that one drive in the M635... the rear traction was "limited" to put it kindly, but you could wring the thing out and it was almost like the car was grinning from ear to ear. "You want THAT much power out of that corner? How's this for a slip angle?!" It was uncannily like an early 911 experience, and similarly memorable. The car's ability to signal that you were doing something not quite right was almost as though is had dashboard messages, "Please improve your sheit heel and toe-ing", or "Please reconsider your entry and exit speed relativity". But it also signalled success. An apex clipped or a braking point judged well elicited applause (or it certainly felt like it!). And this is what separates these E24s and E28s from the E39: less absolute ability but more communication, a greater feeling of working with the car. Call me an anorak, but much as I like my E39, I probably would have had more fun in the M635.
dvs_dave said:
Marquis Rex said:
If so Super Car Saturdays over in Bolingbrook starts up again next month. If you've not been they're a lot like PH Sunday Service's so well worth a trip. Anyway, carry on...Lovely 6er by the way.
Yes Chicago indeed! Well spotted, I've heard of Supercar Sundays but never actually gone yet.
something special about proper grown up performance cars of this era - the 80's, prob to do with growing up with their being aspirational cars of the time and with the backdrop of Group B and their road going derivitives that fast became motoring icons. The E28 M5 has a purity and sense of design/build quality/solidity that escapes most things built after the late 90's ...for the same reasons liked your recent article on the W124 series E36...for me articles like this are on the money and exactly what PH is all about...celebrating simply great cars and the opportunity to occasionally get both sentimental and under the skin of iconic cars...looking foward to more of them PH..
Given the very limited RHD numbers, this looks in great condition at a reasonable price - though you'll have to travel a wee bit to pick it up.
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...
Powerhound said:
And yet... I still remember that one drive in the M635... the rear traction was "limited" to put it kindly, but you could wring the thing out and it was almost like the car was grinning from ear to ear. "You want THAT much power out of that corner? How's this for a slip angle?!" It was uncannily like an early 911 experience, and similarly memorable. The car's ability to signal that you were doing something not quite right was almost as though is had dashboard messages, "Please improve your sheit heel and toe-ing", or "Please reconsider your entry and exit speed relativity". But it also signalled success. An apex clipped or a braking point judged well elicited applause (or it certainly felt like it!). And this is what separates these E24s and E28s from the E39: less absolute ability but more communication, a greater feeling of working with the car. Call me an anorak, but much as I like my E39, I probably would have had more fun in the M635.
Interesting comments. I've just sat and looked at nice E34 535 for sale pondering if it would be more enjoyable than my current E39 535. I suspect not but there is something about driving a classic that add's to the experience. The answer is two cars but I can't get anything bigger than an E30 into my garage, and I've sworn this year to stick to one car (mutters to self..I must stick to one car, I must stick to one car, I must stick to one car...)Contigo said:
Cannot get excited about this car at all. I know it was the first of the M5's, hand-built and used the Modified M1 engine but it's just so dated. All the people complaining about the soul less M5's really need to drive one and appreciate how far Technology has come. I'll keep my E61 thanks.
Come on chap - really??? - that all singing all dancing one car does everything for you and you'll never need another choice in your life - I'm begining to think you are missing a pulse 
Technology is great but modern cars leave me so very cold - PH'rs talk about cars having soul but it's probably more that they aren't perfect, have little characteristics, maybe peform better on some days than others and just offer a slightly more down to earth experience where the driver is more in contact with the road and surroundings
I've never owned one but it's on my list (hell it's a big list) 10/10
As for M5's breaking owners financially - sheesh doesn't anybody get their hands dirty
Contigo said:
Cannot get excited about this car at all. I know it was the first of the M5's, hand-built and used the Modified M1 engine but it's just so dated.
Yes. All those horribly dated cars... E-Type, 911 2.7RS, Lotus Carlton, Merc SL... rubbish, the lot of them and only fit for scrap. I can't imagine why anyone would buy a car built before 2011. Serious hat on for a moment: I can see what you're getting at but what you call dated, many people call involvement. Progress has had its drawbacks and playing with cars like this provide an antidote for them.
blearyeyedboy said:
Contigo said:
Cannot get excited about this car at all. I know it was the first of the M5's, hand-built and used the Modified M1 engine but it's just so dated.
Yes. All those horribly dated cars... E-Type, 911 2.7RS, Lotus Carlton, Merc SL... rubbish, the lot of them and only fit for scrap. I can't imagine why anyone would buy a car built before 2011. Serious hat on for a moment: I can see what you're getting at but what you call dated, many people call involvement. Progress has had its drawbacks and playing with cars like this provide an antidote for them.
B'stard Child said:
God, don't open that can of worms again! Loplop said:
I've got a Tubi cat-back system on my e39. It came with it & at first I was tempted to swap it back to the original (also supplied). However, the 'big block US muscle car' noise at lower speed combined with a more V8 F355 Ferrari roar at high revs is pretty addictive.I do have a couple of baffles to quieten her down if I need a more stealthy / mother-friendly cruise though...
cuda said:
BrightonEd said:
fushion julz said:
I wouldn't!
Munich bellends got that tag for a reason... and Barney is/was one of the ex-owners. A leopard and his spots, etc...
If you're looking for someone down that way (Surrey/Sussex) then try Mark McLennan at MJF Engineering...he knows those engines inside out as he races a M635csi (same engine)...
Alex Elliot is another chap in the same area who is a whizz with (BMW) racing cars..
ETA: if you do end up going to Barney, make sure the car is returned with all the original parts intact! I know people who have taken their cars to (the old) Munich Legends and had (for example) the complete LS diff and diff cooler exchanged for an open, non-cooled version!
This is why I rarely post here - two regular customers recommend a great garage - and someone living in Oliver Stone conspiracy thoery world decides that a busy garage would strip out parts on cars! There's plenty of 9/11 boards out there for paranoia fella...Munich bellends got that tag for a reason... and Barney is/was one of the ex-owners. A leopard and his spots, etc...
If you're looking for someone down that way (Surrey/Sussex) then try Mark McLennan at MJF Engineering...he knows those engines inside out as he races a M635csi (same engine)...
Alex Elliot is another chap in the same area who is a whizz with (BMW) racing cars..
ETA: if you do end up going to Barney, make sure the car is returned with all the original parts intact! I know people who have taken their cars to (the old) Munich Legends and had (for example) the complete LS diff and diff cooler exchanged for an open, non-cooled version!
Edited by fushion julz on Tuesday 17th April 14:33
blearyeyedboy said:
B'stard Child said:
God, don't open that can of worms again! 
OK we'll let it die
BrightonEd said:
cuda said:
BrightonEd said:
fushion julz said:
I wouldn't!
Munich bellends got that tag for a reason... and Barney is/was one of the ex-owners. A leopard and his spots, etc...
If you're looking for someone down that way (Surrey/Sussex) then try Mark McLennan at MJF Engineering...he knows those engines inside out as he races a M635csi (same engine)...
Alex Elliot is another chap in the same area who is a whizz with (BMW) racing cars..
ETA: if you do end up going to Barney, make sure the car is returned with all the original parts intact! I know people who have taken their cars to (the old) Munich Legends and had (for example) the complete LS diff and diff cooler exchanged for an open, non-cooled version!
This is why I rarely post here - two regular customers recommend a great garage - and someone living in Oliver Stone conspiracy thoery world decides that a busy garage would strip out parts on cars! There's plenty of 9/11 boards out there for paranoia fella...Munich bellends got that tag for a reason... and Barney is/was one of the ex-owners. A leopard and his spots, etc...
If you're looking for someone down that way (Surrey/Sussex) then try Mark McLennan at MJF Engineering...he knows those engines inside out as he races a M635csi (same engine)...
Alex Elliot is another chap in the same area who is a whizz with (BMW) racing cars..
ETA: if you do end up going to Barney, make sure the car is returned with all the original parts intact! I know people who have taken their cars to (the old) Munich Legends and had (for example) the complete LS diff and diff cooler exchanged for an open, non-cooled version!
Edited by fushion julz on Tuesday 17th April 14:33
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