RE: PH Fleet: BMW M5 (E28)
Discussion
s m said:
Remember buying CAR mag of mid 87 and re-reading the track and road test several times. Also the great Phil Llewellyn article about his Welsh cross country trip to take his son back to uni in one
Looks a fun car to have in the garage Chris
This is why I love PH,I'd totally forgotten about that Phil Llewellyn story and am now going to dig out some ancient damp copies of CAR and reread it. If I remember correctly it was St Davids Uni in Lampeter and the route between there and his 'Welsh Marches' home (Oswestry??)has some pretty epic roads,pre speed cameras in an M5 with someone else paying for the petrol and tyres-it seems freelance hacks have always had a tough life!Looks a fun car to have in the garage Chris
Well written article.
Strikes a chord since I'm bringing up my recently aquired E24 M635 CSi up to ship shape condition.
Look into the single row chain/tensioner refurbishment after aboout 100,000 miles.I don't trust garages to do work these days unless it's very rudimentary work or they're very good.
I checked the chain myself on mine.
The tensioners seem in fair condition and I'll schedule to change them out come winter hibernation for the M6.
Out of all the S38/M88 series of engines the first gen M5/M6(euro) were the only ones to be fitted with a single row chain. Even the S14 had dual row as was the M88 engine in the M1 and the later S38s in the E34 M5s.
I also picked up some 16 inch style 5/basket weave alloys to replace the annoying Metric wheels so that I can use some nice Toyo Proxie tyres.
It's not scorchingly fast like my XJR or my 993 turbo but is all the better for it and will still suprise many a fast chariot with sporting pretentions due to it's sedate exterior
(suprising a Gorgeous Ferrari Dino last week!)
Strikes a chord since I'm bringing up my recently aquired E24 M635 CSi up to ship shape condition.
Look into the single row chain/tensioner refurbishment after aboout 100,000 miles.I don't trust garages to do work these days unless it's very rudimentary work or they're very good.
I checked the chain myself on mine.
The tensioners seem in fair condition and I'll schedule to change them out come winter hibernation for the M6.
Out of all the S38/M88 series of engines the first gen M5/M6(euro) were the only ones to be fitted with a single row chain. Even the S14 had dual row as was the M88 engine in the M1 and the later S38s in the E34 M5s.
I also picked up some 16 inch style 5/basket weave alloys to replace the annoying Metric wheels so that I can use some nice Toyo Proxie tyres.
It's not scorchingly fast like my XJR or my 993 turbo but is all the better for it and will still suprise many a fast chariot with sporting pretentions due to it's sedate exterior
(suprising a Gorgeous Ferrari Dino last week!)
Chris Harris said:
redgriff500 said:
You're a car enthusiast, we all have plenty of experience so lets fix it.
So:
Does it turn over ?
Is there a spark ?
Is there fuel ?
Fuel pump whirrs, can smell fuel. Starter seems to push crank quite fast. Would appear no spark.So:
Does it turn over ?
Is there a spark ?
Is there fuel ?
Sound like Forza West it is - like the idea of somebody reasonably close by.
Grab someone to turn it over.
Pull a sparkplug out and earth it on the engine and see if there is one.
Surely with your garage etc you possess a socket set.
sisu said:
I got lent an '87 M5 to drive around for a few weeks while on holiday in NZ. I initially had my concerns with it being over three decades old. But it really put a smile on my face. It suits the roads over there and had space for putting the wine we bought
You don't know my father, do you? LOLWhat was the reg?
I find something very endearing about cars which are incredibly fast yet get through more fuel than Vancouver dam does water and cost more than St. Paul's cathedral in maintanance. Maybe it's when, on the odd occasion, you have a full tank and everything is working the drive is that little bit sweater and your desitination is that bit more of an achievement.
Is now a good time to post this one up? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
E28 but not M5 (though may not be as good underneath as it looks on top, given sellers are Classics Garage)
The E34 M5 seems the ultimate M carnation to me in many ways but I keep pulling myself towards the e39 as a better real world alternative, plus the V8 Soundtrack.
It's lucky I don't have anywhere to store stuff (or at least anything bigger than an E30) otherwise I'd be seriously skint.
Love the M5 Chris, still remember your Autocar column about it (with Garlick's photos). IIRC one of the younger staffers on CAR also had an E28 in some format back in the mid 2000's.
E28 but not M5 (though may not be as good underneath as it looks on top, given sellers are Classics Garage)
The E34 M5 seems the ultimate M carnation to me in many ways but I keep pulling myself towards the e39 as a better real world alternative, plus the V8 Soundtrack.
It's lucky I don't have anywhere to store stuff (or at least anything bigger than an E30) otherwise I'd be seriously skint.
Love the M5 Chris, still remember your Autocar column about it (with Garlick's photos). IIRC one of the younger staffers on CAR also had an E28 in some format back in the mid 2000's.
Edited by GBB on Tuesday 17th April 17:16
BrightonEd said:
fushion julz said:
I wouldn't!
Munich bellends got that tag for a reason... and Barney is/was one of the ex-owners. A leopard and his spots, etc...
If you're looking for someone down that way (Surrey/Sussex) then try Mark McLennan at MJF Engineering...he knows those engines inside out as he races a M635csi (same engine)...
Alex Elliot is another chap in the same area who is a whizz with (BMW) racing cars..
ETA: if you do end up going to Barney, make sure the car is returned with all the original parts intact! I know people who have taken their cars to (the old) Munich Legends and had (for example) the complete LS diff and diff cooler exchanged for an open, non-cooled version!
This is why I rarely post here - two regular customers recommend a great garage - and someone living in Oliver Stone conspiracy thoery world decides that a busy garage would strip out parts on cars! There's plenty of 9/11 boards out there for paranoia fella...Munich bellends got that tag for a reason... and Barney is/was one of the ex-owners. A leopard and his spots, etc...
If you're looking for someone down that way (Surrey/Sussex) then try Mark McLennan at MJF Engineering...he knows those engines inside out as he races a M635csi (same engine)...
Alex Elliot is another chap in the same area who is a whizz with (BMW) racing cars..
ETA: if you do end up going to Barney, make sure the car is returned with all the original parts intact! I know people who have taken their cars to (the old) Munich Legends and had (for example) the complete LS diff and diff cooler exchanged for an open, non-cooled version!
Edited by fushion julz on Tuesday 17th April 14:33
GBB said:
Is now a good time to post this one up? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
E28 but not M5 (though may not be as good underneath as it looks on top, given sellers are Classics Garage)
The E34 M5 seems the ultimate M carnation to me in many ways but I keep pulling myself towards the e39 as a better real world alternative, plus the V8 Soundtrack.
It's lucky I don't have anywhere to store stuff (or at least anything bigger than an E30) otherwise I'd be seriously skint.
Love the M5 Chris, still remember your Autocar column about it (with Garlick's photos). IIRC one of the younger staffers on CAR also had an E28 in some format back in the mid 2000's.
Not to take away anything from the E39 M5 as any E39 regardless of engine has a rather accomplished chassis matched with fantastic looks and build quality, it's just the E34 seems to out last them, VANOS is a complete headache and there are a lot more unique bits on an E39 than an E34, plus take into account ~35mpg on a run in a 3.8 6Spd isn't uncommon whereas you're looking at mid twenties in an E39, I would believe the the E34 to be a better real world alternative. E28 but not M5 (though may not be as good underneath as it looks on top, given sellers are Classics Garage)
The E34 M5 seems the ultimate M carnation to me in many ways but I keep pulling myself towards the e39 as a better real world alternative, plus the V8 Soundtrack.
It's lucky I don't have anywhere to store stuff (or at least anything bigger than an E30) otherwise I'd be seriously skint.
Love the M5 Chris, still remember your Autocar column about it (with Garlick's photos). IIRC one of the younger staffers on CAR also had an E28 in some format back in the mid 2000's.
Edited by GBB on Tuesday 17th April 17:16
I've only driven the E34 at around town speeds and I must say it was unbelievably easy to do, there's quite a bit of driveline smack when changing gear regardless of how soft you are with your changes, however the ride isn't at all harsh and the engine is unbelievably flexible and is no harder to drive than the E39 528i touring I also drive occasionally.
Evocative stuff, I have yet to try an E28 M5 however this struck a chord:
article said:
I love this about being obsessed by cars - the ones you lust after remain a constant in your life despite the turmoil and changes going on around you. Girls, friends, houses, fads, facial hair - they are all transient, but one of the few things that has remained constant about me since 1986 was that I thought the E28 M5 was the coolest saloon car ever built. I still do.
For such is my relationship with the E39 M5, from the first review and soon after driving my then boss's demo one. As an impressionable 20 year old it cast a long shadow that remains today, the allure as strong now as it was then - at a tenth or so of the price of entry. Big Six said:
Oh yes...There is one other person. His name is Dave & he works at Fritz Bitz in Somerset. http://www.fritzsbits.co.uk/index.html
i took my E21 down there on multiple occasions, Dave does know his stuff as do both of the Richards down there.Nice guys but haven't phoned them since the E21 has gone. As good as they are they did do a few small errors on my car; if i wanted the work done i'd rather forza west than fritzs bits; however, Fritz are VERY good at sourcing parts for older cars no-one else can be bothered to find.
if the car is taken there...mention Ross with the (now sold) green E21 said hi
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