RE: BMW 2002 butchered in the name of rat roddery
Discussion
Balmoral said:
bobberz said:
I'm a big fan of rat rods and the general "'ol skool" Kustom Kulture that goes with them, but I don't like this.
First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
Excellent summary, spot on.First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
What I'm not so keen on is modern mainstream cars with matt black paint or wraps. A Lambo or KTM can get away with it but something 'straight' like a BMW or Mercedes trying for a 'counter culture' vibe looks about as convincing and cool and as an Accountant in leather trousers to me.
bobberz said:
I'm a big fan of rat rods and the general "'ol skool" Kustom Kulture that goes with them, but I don't like this.
First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
And breathe. First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
Preserving the "Rat Rod" in aspic is ridiculous; the whole point of them is as a reaction to the hot rod scene itself being preserved in aspic.
davepoth said:
bobberz said:
I'm a big fan of rat rods and the general "'ol skool" Kustom Kulture that goes with them, but I don't like this.
First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
And breathe. First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
Preserving the "Rat Rod" in aspic is ridiculous; the whole point of them is as a reaction to the hot rod scene itself being preserved in aspic.
t because it uses radial tyres instead of crossplies. It was about the time that CC jumped on this bandwagon that it started going downhill.. next thing you know they'll be arguing about who was in which old car club and who wasn't! 
HairbearTE said:
davepoth said:
bobberz said:
I'm a big fan of rat rods and the general "'ol skool" Kustom Kulture that goes with them, but I don't like this.
First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
And breathe. First of all, I don't think it's a rat rod at all. I hate the way the term "rat rod" has been applied to anything with rust or that looks crappy- even Hondas and water-cooled VWs!
There are a couple reasons why this does not qualify as a rat rod:
1.-modern tech like the the LS motor, independent suspension, and modern wheels/rubber. A rat rod can NOT have a modern engine. The engine must be period-correct to the original hot rod era of the late '40s to early '60s. A rat rod should have traditional I-beam suspension. Air bags are permissible, but not a-arm/mcpherson strut style setups. In addition, rolling stock should also be period-correct, meaning steelies, wire wheels, and early "mag" wheels such as Halibrands, etc. shod in bias-ply tires.
2.-it's a bleedin' beemer! And a post-fuel crisis one, at that! A rat rod must be a pre-war car or an early post war car (pre '50s). Finally, only American or American-style cars can be a rat rod. Something like an Austin 7, early British Ford (Populars, Anglias, etc.), or early Opel/Vauxhall/Holden are permissible, since they look like pre-war American cars and played a part in rodding in America to a lesser extent.
Painting your car flat black does NOT make it a rat rod!
If you want some good examples of real rat rods, as well as nicely finished traditional hot rods and kustoms, I suggest finding a copy of Ol' Skool Rodz magazine, the original and still the best on the subject. I've been an avid reader of that mag since 2004 and, no, I don't work for them.
Preserving the "Rat Rod" in aspic is ridiculous; the whole point of them is as a reaction to the hot rod scene itself being preserved in aspic.
t because it uses radial tyres instead of crossplies. It was about the time that CC jumped on this bandwagon that it started going downhill.. next thing you know they'll be arguing about who was in which old car club and who wasn't! t, obviously!)It has a modern engine, IFS, coil-over rear, discs all round, Rocket/Centrelines & radials. Just to placate him, I'm also in the midst of a 'period correct' '32 build (drums, 'I' beam, steels and crossplies), and also have a shiny/billet '32 as well.
doogz said:
Hmm, i don't like it.
I'm no BMW fanboy, i'm not 'upset' they're butchered a 2002, i just don't think it looks great.
Same here. Looks plain wrong as a rod, and since it was a perfectly good (and fairly rare) car to begin with then it just seems like a waste of time and money.I'm no BMW fanboy, i'm not 'upset' they're butchered a 2002, i just don't think it looks great.
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