RE: Spotted: Audi R8 V10 manual
Discussion
crazy about cars said:
Never driven the V10 but had short test drive of a manual R8 and it didn't feel as fun as the current GTR...
Too bad the V8 and V10 have huge price gap
There isn't - unless you are referring to used. Pile on all the options you get as standard on the V10 that you don't get with a V8 and the gap is a lot less. Unless you don't want the options in the first place of course.Too bad the V8 and V10 have huge price gap
jon- said:
As mentioned earlier, the single clutch boxes in these aren't too bad. They're not perfect like the dual clutch boxes in VAGs / Porsches so there's still an element of driver involvement.
Manual still wins all day though.
Dont quite get that ?Manual still wins all day though.
Do you mean the engagement is less slick so you can improve it by timing the shift or blipping the throttle ? (which as I type this is making some sense now)
However, I would still say a manual is the thing for involvement (its just slower !). Today I nipped down the lane in my RX8. Toe&heel is so addictive. Brake, blip, shift, roll off brake & turn in, feather throttle, reach apex, accellerate
. Given 9000rpm to play with and a spot on shift action it feels great to get it spot on, sounds as good as any rtronic/dsg...etc and its you doing it .In my 911 carrera toe&heel almost feels the only way to shift. Much slower box and less easy to match rev's its much more of a challenge and I often get it wrong, but again it feels GOOD when you do
Gary C said:
jon- said:
As mentioned earlier, the single clutch boxes in these aren't too bad. They're not perfect like the dual clutch boxes in VAGs / Porsches so there's still an element of driver involvement.
Manual still wins all day though.
Dont quite get that ?Manual still wins all day though.
Do you mean the engagement is less slick so you can improve it by timing the shift or blipping the throttle ? (which as I type this is making some sense now)
There's also the amount it unsettles the car. The best example I have of this is the V10 R8 vs 911 GTS at Portimao race circuit. There was one fast right hander which was just about flat in each car, and coincidently each car needed to shift mid corner.
With the 911 GTS PDK box you could keep your foot flat, press the button for the next gear and nothing would happen. The R8 gearbox gave a nice little kick, which was just enough to unsettle the car and make you think about the change which added to the fun.
In contrast, the 911 GT3 RS manual I drove at the end of the day I wouldn't have dreamt of going near the gearstick in that corner!
kazino said:
My cousin has the v8, and the engine really doesn't do it for me, it's the same as in the rs4, it barely outran my boxster and my 996 turbo makes it look like it's going backwards (that's a 10 year old porsche), the v10 on the other hand sounds amazing and goes like stink, would be the easy choice if I had the option
Yeah but the V10 isn't even that quick in absolute terms anyway. A GTR or a 997 Turbo would blow it into the weeds in a straight line, but imo you don't get the R8 for straightline speed anyway, though I can understand that no one wants a car that feels slow (quite how an R8 V8 could feel slow I can't imagine but anyway). But oh well, horses for courses and all that...
jon- said:
You seemed to have answered your own question
There's also the amount it unsettles the car. The best example I have of this is the V10 R8 vs 911 GTS at Portimao race circuit. There was one fast right hander which was just about flat in each car, and coincidently each car needed to shift mid corner.
With the 911 GTS PDK box you could keep your foot flat, press the button for the next gear and nothing would happen. The R8 gearbox gave a nice little kick, which was just enough to unsettle the car and make you think about the change which added to the fun.
In contrast, the 911 GT3 RS manual I drove at the end of the day I wouldn't have dreamt of going near the gearstick in that corner!
Yes, as I started to type the response it seemed to make some sense. Kicks and quirks are fun. I had an EVO V and if you lifted to 1/2 throttle, it gave what I can only describe as a quiver, which you could feel through the wheel and the whole chassis.There's also the amount it unsettles the car. The best example I have of this is the V10 R8 vs 911 GTS at Portimao race circuit. There was one fast right hander which was just about flat in each car, and coincidently each car needed to shift mid corner.
With the 911 GTS PDK box you could keep your foot flat, press the button for the next gear and nothing would happen. The R8 gearbox gave a nice little kick, which was just enough to unsettle the car and make you think about the change which added to the fun.
In contrast, the 911 GT3 RS manual I drove at the end of the day I wouldn't have dreamt of going near the gearstick in that corner!
I also drove a 440bhp M3 with DSG/DTC/DSC/FKWE and it was so stable & drama free on the track it actually felt like a bit of a none event.
(FKWE = f@~k knows what else)
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