RE: Abandoned Enzo part of Dubai supercar sale
Discussion
5705 said:
Mike Biddle said:
Now to those who criticise things they don’t understand, I have been in Dubai for 17 years now and I strongly support the position that fraud should be illegal, a criminal offence, and punishable by a jail term, anyone got any problems with that? Furthermore the system is a lot more flexible and sensible than in many other jurisdictions.
Well, having lived there, too, I do understand, and the problem is that the system quickly turns temporary hardship into criminality (as well as punishing a few genuine fraudsters).For starters, being required to hand over post-dated cheques for a whole year's worth of rent to your landlord is (was?) standard. Lose your job, and you're instantly in a very weak position with your landlord*. Unless you can find another job quickly (and in the UAE, the 'necessary' bureaucracy makes that very difficult), your next cheque will bounce and at this point the system treats you as a fraudster.
* I had to pay over the pro-rata rent to buy myself out of a tenancy contract for this reason
Dave Hedgehog said:
sounds far more sensible and fair than UK law
"well we don't really want to punish him, its only his 137th offense and he is after all a third generation welfare dependent so its not really his fault, and he wasn't speeding."
"well we don't really want to punish him, its only his 137th offense and he is after all a third generation welfare dependent so its not really his fault, and he wasn't speeding."
Totally agreed! - The law regarding these things in this country is a disgrace. Dishonesty has now got to the point that certain elements of the great unwashed will drop computers off at our repair shop for a chargeable diagnostic, then when being told that the cost of the required work is greater than they hoped, decide not to bother collecting them because they don't want to pay the investigation charge (which is only £30 so hardly a fortune)...
...but that's nothing compared to those that agree to have ~£150 of work done, then expect to collect the system ASAP and pay at the end of the month...if we're lucky. Tossers! - You wouldn't take your car in for a service then state on collection that you "have no money and will have to pay after payday", would you? These people should be made to act responsibly and held to account.
We are getting off topic here but why not just charge a £30 deposit for the diag when they drop the PC off?
There are garages (and maybe computer repair shops?) that are too soft with their customers and as a result are always owed money that they will probably never see by time wasters who shouldn't have had their cars back.
Clivey said:
...but that's nothing compared to those that agree to have ~£150 of work done, then expect to collect the system ASAP and pay at the end of the month...if we're lucky. Tossers! - You wouldn't take your car in for a service then state on collection that you "have no money and will have to pay after payday", would you? These people should be made to act responsibly and held to account.
Actually this happens to the motor trade all the time, the solution is that they don't get their car back until they've paid and if it takes too long they get a daily storage charge, pretty soon they end up just with customers that don't always try to take the pi$$. There are garages (and maybe computer repair shops?) that are too soft with their customers and as a result are always owed money that they will probably never see by time wasters who shouldn't have had their cars back.
Edited by Steve H on Monday 30th April 07:38
Steve H said:
Actually this happens to the motor trade all the time, the solution is that they don't get their car back until they've paid and if it takes too long they get a daily storage charge, pretty soon they end up just with customers that don't always try to take the pi$$.
There are garages (and maybe computer repair shops?) that are too soft with their customers and as a result are always owed money that they will probably never see by time wasters who shouldn't have had their cars back.
We do make them sign an agreement to settle invoices within 30 days and we don't let them have their computer back until they've paid...however, what you end-up with is someone that's just been told that their computer requires an expensive repair deciding not to turn up and collect it / pay the £30. They'd rather go and buy an old laptop out of the newspaper / cash converter etc.There are garages (and maybe computer repair shops?) that are too soft with their customers and as a result are always owed money that they will probably never see by time wasters who shouldn't have had their cars back.
Edited by Steve H on Monday 30th April 07:38
Steve H said:
The answer to that is the bit you didn't quote.
We tried that...and customers started going elsewhere. - And before you go any further, the vast majority of those customers do actually pay for the work once completed. It's just a minority of scrotes that think it's acceptable behaviour to order something / agree to work with no plans to pay for it. Steve H said:
why not just charge a £30 deposit for the diag when they drop the PC off?
Clivey said:
We tried that...and customers started going elsewhere. - And before you go any further, the vast majority of those customers do actually pay for the work once completed. It's just a minority of scrotes that think it's acceptable behaviour to order something / agree to work with no plans to pay for it.
I've been exposed to a garage style business recently - helping out on Saturdays.It utterly amazes me how many people;
1) book to have £1000 of work done, and take up the work shop area with their car for a week, but then simply not turn up. (we're implementing deposits!)
2) not pay. "I'll pay you tomorrow", "I'll bring cash back". Once they drive away with the car, they're never coming back.
TonyHetherington said:
I've been exposed to a garage style business recently - helping out on Saturdays.
It utterly amazes me how many people;
1) book to have £1000 of work done, and take up the work shop area with their car for a week, but then simply not turn up. (we're implementing deposits!)
2) not pay. "I'll pay you tomorrow", "I'll bring cash back". Once they drive away with the car, they're never coming back.
It's the same as theft IMO. Disgusting.It utterly amazes me how many people;
1) book to have £1000 of work done, and take up the work shop area with their car for a week, but then simply not turn up. (we're implementing deposits!)
2) not pay. "I'll pay you tomorrow", "I'll bring cash back". Once they drive away with the car, they're never coming back.
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