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RE: PH Carpool: Toyota Sera

RE: PH Carpool: Toyota Sera

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mig25_foxbat2003

2,974 posts

113 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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redgriff500 said:
Sorry but I'd suggest that if the best feature of your car is how the doors open...

Your car has really awesome doors.
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GingerWizard

4,721 posts

100 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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that car rocks hard! tres cool!

IainB30

14 posts

180 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Very cool. I sometimes see one around the West Dulwich area of south London, and it looks great.

The doors provided a design solution for the McLaren F1 didn't they?? I seem to remember reading somewhere that Peter Stevens and Gordon Murray were struggling how to get the F1 doors to work, and then someone pointed out the Sera's arrangement.

Simonium

287 posts

54 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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David87 said:
Extremely rare and very cool. Anyone else see some new VW Scirocco in the front of it?
In that there are lights and a bumper?

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

157 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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We were sat near the Sera stand at a Jap show many moons ago. Great little cars. Not the fastest, best handling,Merc, but certainly cool looking, and different.
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smartypants

24,601 posts

71 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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redgriff500 said:
Sorry but I'd suggest that if the best feature of your car is how the doors open...

It's a bad car.
This unfortunately. Sorry it's a pretty horrid creation. But glad someone loves and cares for the ugly duckling smile

Geo22

57 posts

68 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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not my cup of tea, ugly if ask me. whatever floats your boat i suppose.

Wammer

206 posts

90 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Great car i have always wanted one for the quiky looks.

carl_green

5 posts

110 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Thanks for all your comments smile i understand its not for some people, its kinda like a marmite car, i dont think there is an inbetween with it. you love it or you hate it, and i love it

Garlick

40,601 posts

142 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I think it is impossible for owners of cars with such doors to photograph their cars with the doors closed.

Diablo owners like open doors too biggrin

smartypants

24,601 posts

71 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Garlick said:
I think it is impossible for owners of cars with such doors to photograph their cars with the doors closed.

Diablo owners like open doors too biggrin
Yes but with the doors closed this looks like a Mazda MX-3. A Diablo kinda still looks like a crazy and fantastic supercar regardless of silly doors wink

JackJack

23 posts

73 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Never seen one of these before, seems like a fun quirky car though!

garypotter

862 posts

52 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Horrible little thing!

Yes I know each to thier own but def not for me!!

XB70

2,204 posts

98 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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There were a few of them running around in Oz...I have a photo somewhere of my SVX parked behind one (the windows are the same layout).

Come to think of it, so are the McF1's, EB110 etc.

A twin turbo Subaru SVX with a manual gearbox and with SERA type doors.....you can keep your Veyron's :-)

norwichphoto

235 posts

126 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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The doors actually work as well - if you parked in a normal car parking space at the supermarket or in a multi storey you can open the doors fully with only 18 inches of room either side. You can't do that with most cars with normal doors and have to slide yourself in an inelegant manner.

SleeperCell

5,591 posts

144 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Fun fact, I remember reading in old magazine articles that the original AXV-II concept car on which the Sera production version was based was basically designed from focus groups trying to figure out what young professional Japanese women wanted in a car (probably the first time anyone in Japan had even thought of consulting women about cars!). They found women wanted basically a reliable, easy to drive normal car, but with more eye catching styling, the doors to grab attention and make exiting the car easier and better visibility and luggage space etc. If you read the painful PR copy in the brochure it does read like something they obtained from focus groups of what young women want in a car...

This is why it's got such innovative styling but yet fairly ordinary mechanical underpinnings. It's actually pretty amazing they never made a factory turbo version considering just about every other JDM car of the era seems to have a turbo version somewhere in it's lineup and the Starlet GT engine goes right in!



norwichphoto

235 posts

126 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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The Sera club managed to track down the head of design (who at that point still had a Sera)

They said there were plans for a higher performance model and one with removable roof glass panels (making a sort of T-Bar).

So my interpretation of the higher performance model would have been the Starlet Turbo drivetrain, and when I did it on my own car as an experiment I found it to be pretty straightforward - the ECU was almost plug and play barring half a dozen easy wiring mods.



thewheelman

2,194 posts

75 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Personally i think they look hideous, the doors look out of proportion to the rest of the car.

Mark-C

2,347 posts

107 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Used to see one around Norwich occasionally - always made me smile.

thewheelman

2,194 posts

75 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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SleeperCell said:
Fun fact, I remember reading in old magazine articles that the original AXV-II concept car on which the Sera production version was based was basically designed from focus groups trying to figure out what young professional Japanese women wanted in a car (probably the first time anyone in Japan had even thought of consulting women about cars!). They found women wanted basically a reliable, easy to drive normal car, but with more eye catching styling, the doors to grab attention and make exiting the car easier and better visibility and luggage space etc. If you read the painful PR copy in the brochure it does read like something they obtained from focus groups of what young women want in a car...

This is why it's got such innovative styling but yet fairly ordinary mechanical underpinnings. It's actually pretty amazing they never made a factory turbo version considering just about every other JDM car of the era seems to have a turbo version somewhere in it's lineup and the Starlet GT engine goes right in!
I think you'll find that focus groups have asked women what they want in a car, long before the Sera. Also, you claim "just about every other JDM car of that era seems to have a turbo version somewhere". Again, this is incorrect, the just a dull Toyota Paseo, of the same era also had no performance model.