RE: Chris Harris video: Lotus Exige S
Discussion
Dave Hedgehog said:
looks so much better in white 
Lovely looking car that, white really does work well with the lines.Great car and a great video, I'm glad to see that Lotus have used a bigger engine. It seems to make the car more appealing as an alternative choice to its competitors.
Despite some of the negative comments, it is good to see Lotus coming out with some cracking new cars.
I hope it goes well for them.
Garlick said:
Lotus propose building supercars at £100k + and people dislike it
Lotus employ rapper and dubious styling company and people dislike it
Lotus appear to have financial issues and people wish they could be saved to continue making sports cars
Lotus make sports car that competes with the best and people dislike it
How about a Lotus SUV instead?
Spot on. I am very confused as to what the negative posters here are after. Not the new proposaed 5 car lineup. Not tie in's with any celebreties. Seeimingly not a V6 Exige. So what do you lot actually want? A £16k 500kg tub with a 4 cylinder 130bhp engine? Clearly that's not a strategy that will make any sort of reasonable return - and in turn Lotus won't have any potential investors to keep them going.Lotus employ rapper and dubious styling company and people dislike it
Lotus appear to have financial issues and people wish they could be saved to continue making sports cars
Lotus make sports car that competes with the best and people dislike it
How about a Lotus SUV instead?
Considering a loaded up edition 30 Golf GTI will cost you close to £30k, or a mid spec Audi TT for that matter the price of the Exige is actually very reasonable.
Well done Lotus - this is a great car, if you bring it to the US I would be in the market for one. Good luck for the future.
EK993 said:
Garlick said:
Lotus propose building supercars at £100k + and people dislike it
Lotus employ rapper and dubious styling company and people dislike it
Lotus appear to have financial issues and people wish they could be saved to continue making sports cars
Lotus make sports car that competes with the best and people dislike it
How about a Lotus SUV instead?
Spot on. I am very confused as to what the negative posters here are after. Not the new proposaed 5 car lineup. Not tie in's with any celebreties. Seeimingly not a V6 Exige. So what do you lot actually want? A £16k 500kg tub with a 4 cylinder 130bhp engine? Clearly that's not a strategy that will make any sort of reasonable return - and in turn Lotus won't have any potential investors to keep them going.Lotus employ rapper and dubious styling company and people dislike it
Lotus appear to have financial issues and people wish they could be saved to continue making sports cars
Lotus make sports car that competes with the best and people dislike it
How about a Lotus SUV instead?
Considering a loaded up edition 30 Golf GTI will cost you close to £30k, or a mid spec Audi TT for that matter the price of the Exige is actually very reasonable.
Well done Lotus - this is a great car, if you bring it to the US I would be in the market for one. Good luck for the future.
The people who don't like this are not neccesarily the ones who don't like the other stuff Lotus have done.
EK993 said:
Spot on. I am very confused as to what the negative posters here are after. Not the new proposaed 5 car lineup. Not tie in's with any celebreties. Seeimingly not a V6 Exige. So what do you lot actually want? A £16k 500kg tub with a 4 cylinder 130bhp engine? Clearly that's not a strategy that will make any sort of reasonable return - and in turn Lotus won't have any potential investors to keep them going.
Considering a loaded up edition 30 Golf GTI will cost you close to £30k, or a mid spec Audi TT for that matter the price of the Exige is actually very reasonable.
Well done Lotus - this is a great car, if you bring it to the US I would be in the market for one. Good luck for the future.
For the money of the Exige you could get a nicely specced TTRS. But I know where my money would go.Considering a loaded up edition 30 Golf GTI will cost you close to £30k, or a mid spec Audi TT for that matter the price of the Exige is actually very reasonable.
Well done Lotus - this is a great car, if you bring it to the US I would be in the market for one. Good luck for the future.
stephen300o said:
It had quite a positive response here I thought.
The people who don't like this are not neccesarily the ones who don't like the other stuff Lotus have done.
Absolutely - and I susepct that many, like Mr Harris, feel that getting product like this out of the door is what Lotus should have been focusing on.The people who don't like this are not neccesarily the ones who don't like the other stuff Lotus have done.
I've no problem with Lotus having a 350bhp 1200kg V6 Exige in the range, nor a 134bhp 1.6 Elise for the polar bear worriers, but going so long without a mainstream Elise is pretty poor. Eco-Elise apart, the bread and butter supercharged four pot with > 200bhp and < 900kg needs to be out there and selling. I hope the reviews of the new Elise S are good next week, that car should have been ready to roll when they stopped selling the old 1.8 Toyota engines.
I'm amazed that no one has explained the details of ESP to Chris before now! Lotus are far from the first people to have understeer control and/or Race/Track mode. The Mk5 Golf has understeer control, and every Bosch/Continental/TRW ESP controller since around 2006 has had it! Pretty much any modern car will have it, including Nissan Micras.....and don't even get my started on Mu calculation. This is one of the absolute fundamentals of the way even basic ABS works.
Some very clever marketing by the Lotus PR department in my opinion. The traction calibration sounds to be surging horribly and I don't really understand what this 'Race' mode does if it's tightening the traction parameters?
There are a lot better calibrated ESP systems out there than this from what I can here of the torque control. One of them happens to be in a car Chris owns himself! Porsche. I suspect no one has actually bothered to explain it in detail to him before and he has asumed it's as restrictive as they once were 5 or 6 years ago. Pressing the button to turn it off these days shouldn't always be the default choice!
Some very clever marketing by the Lotus PR department in my opinion. The traction calibration sounds to be surging horribly and I don't really understand what this 'Race' mode does if it's tightening the traction parameters?
There are a lot better calibrated ESP systems out there than this from what I can here of the torque control. One of them happens to be in a car Chris owns himself! Porsche. I suspect no one has actually bothered to explain it in detail to him before and he has asumed it's as restrictive as they once were 5 or 6 years ago. Pressing the button to turn it off these days shouldn't always be the default choice!
ArosaMike said:
I'm amazed that no one has explained the details of ESP to Chris before now! Lotus are far from the first people to have understeer control and/or Race/Track mode. The Mk5 Golf has understeer control, and every Bosch/Continental/TRW ESP controller since around 2006 has had it! Pretty much any modern car will have it, including Nissan Micras.....and don't even get my started on Mu calculation. This is one of the absolute fundamentals of the way even basic ABS works.
Some very clever marketing by the Lotus PR department in my opinion. The traction calibration sounds to be surging horribly and I don't really understand what this 'Race' mode does if it's tightening the traction parameters?
There are a lot better calibrated ESP systems out there than this from what I can here of the torque control. One of them happens to be in a car Chris owns himself! Porsche. I suspect no one has actually bothered to explain it in detail to him before and he has asumed it's as restrictive as they once were 5 or 6 years ago. Pressing the button to turn it off these days shouldn't always be the default choice!
Have you driven the Exige S?Some very clever marketing by the Lotus PR department in my opinion. The traction calibration sounds to be surging horribly and I don't really understand what this 'Race' mode does if it's tightening the traction parameters?
There are a lot better calibrated ESP systems out there than this from what I can here of the torque control. One of them happens to be in a car Chris owns himself! Porsche. I suspect no one has actually bothered to explain it in detail to him before and he has asumed it's as restrictive as they once were 5 or 6 years ago. Pressing the button to turn it off these days shouldn't always be the default choice!
ArosaMike said:
No, but I do know how to calibrate traction control. A good traction calibration shouldn't surge. In the video you can clearly hear the engine note surging as he's in traction control.
It would appear that the engineers at Lotus disagree with you - but then they've always tended to go their own way. What system exemplifies how you would implement it?ArosaMike said:
No, but I do know how to calibrate traction control. A good traction calibration shouldn't surge. In the video you can clearly hear the engine note surging as he's in traction control.
Perhaps you'd like to explain how Lotus test drivers are able to go quicker with 'Race mode' on than with everything turned off? Up until recently pro drivers have been able to beat tc systems in good conditions. Not anymore.Edited by ArosaMike on Thursday 26th April 17:06
otolith said:
It would appear that the engineers at Lotus disagree with you - but then they've always tended to go their own way. What system exemplifies how you would implement it?
I've driven TC on an F1 car, GT1 and and GT2 racer. Also on every major supercar/ sports car of the past 10 yrs. The Exige S has the best calibrated systems I've used on a road car. In the wet. 
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