Enjoy your summer pint, but...

Enjoy your summer pint, but...

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thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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fatboy69 said:
That was my point, badly put across i think, with my initial post re a zero limit. However many other countries have limits substantially lower than ours.

Estonia, Malta, Romania & Hungary to name four have a zero limit with Norway, Poland & Sweden having a limit of 0.2mg per milliletre & countries such as Italy, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, Poland, Spain, Turkey, Cyprus & Germany all having a lower limit that us which 0.5mg per millilitre - reduced to 0.3mg per ml in Germany in an RTA.
Might i suggest you look at the punishments they dole out before comparing their limit to ours

fatboy69 said:
I was just making a suggestion thats all. So who has a more workable solution?
heres a radical idea

Enforce the current law?

fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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What is a realistic aim & how do you achieve it?

I'm also going to drop out of this thread as there is obviously no workable solution to the problem. I wasn't quite prepared for the abuse to be honest as I dont think my initial post warranted it.






Edited by fatboy69 on Thursday 26th April 19:51

fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Might i suggest you look at the punishments they dole out before comparing their limit to ours

I will do that because I haven't.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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fatboy69 said:
What is a realistic aim & how do you achieve it?
The only ways you can completely stop drink driving is one of the following

A remove all alcohol from the UK
B remove all cars from the UK
C remove all people from the UK

All of which are ridiculous

An alternative is to say we don't have a drink drive problem as quite frankly i don't believe we do have a drink drive problem as we have far more pressing issues

fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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As above. End of comments from me on this point I think.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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fatboy69 said:
As above. End of comments from me on this point I think.
Goodbye

Stop suffering from the "something must be done" disease

Dusty964

6,923 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Christ there are some Sanctimonious folk in here tonight.

If you are genuine OP- well, you won't do it twice. I wish you well in whatever life brings.

To all the bile spewing retards- stop to consider the last time you did 80mph, or 34 in a 30.

A safe bet would be that everyone on here has broken the law in their car at some stage or another.

The guy has posted quite sensible advice- think about the consequences of drinking and driving.
It doesn't need tossers on high horses with their amazingly high morals condemning his actions- I would think he is well aware of them by now.


CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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fatboy69 said:
Irish said:
The current limit is damn near zero. Sorry fb69 but you argument could be applied to speeding and a number of similar offences. OP - good thread.
Fair point Irish & more eloquently put than simply calling me a moron just because i dared post to a comment on here.

DD is an emotive subject & whilst i dont want to ban everything that people enjoy - smoking, drinking, driving (not together obviously), hunting etc - we all know that DD is a killer, as is speeding, & as i have just said how else do you get the message over to those who know the limit yet still choose to drive when they know they shouldnt.

I know the same applies to speeding & i would ask the same question there - what do you do to stamp it out?

That was my point, badly put across i think, with my initial post re a zero limit. However many other countries have limits substantially lower than ours.

Estonia, Malta, Romania & Hungary to name four have a zero limit with Norway, Poland & Sweden having a limit of 0.2mg per milliletre & countries such as Italy, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, Poland, Spain, Turkey, Cyprus & Germany all having a lower limit that us which 0.5mg per millilitre - reduced to 0.3mg per ml in Germany in an RTA.

I was just making a suggestion thats all. So who has a more workable solution?
Malta doesn't have a zero limit, in fact, in Malta they don't breathalise anyone unless they've been in a shunt and even then they only care if it's a fatal.

When the breathaliser was bought in in the late 90s the police were outraged at the thought of only 4 pints and even today they couldn't care less about drink driving. Oddly, being in charge of a boat while over the limit is an offence and they're actually really hot on it.

fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Goodbye

Stop suffering from the "something must be done" disease
No need for that comment. I'll assume that you are one of the 'head iin the sand, it'll be ok' brigade?

FWIW the reason that I might, or might not, advocate a zero limit is because I lost two good friends to a drunk driver. They were walking on the footpath minding their own business whilst some drunken tard ploughed into them when he drove onto the pavement!

At the ensuing Court case he said that had the two people got out of the way he wouldn't have hit them! Little prick.

He was on the pavement & he was so drunk he couldn't stand up when plod dragged humour of the car.

He blew 4 times the legal limit....





thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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fatboy69 said:
He blew 4 times the legal limit....
So he was 4 times over the legal limit

So why would a zero limit stop him?

MX7

7,902 posts

174 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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fatboy69 said:
He blew 4 times the legal limit....
I'm sorry to hear about your friends, but do you really think that if the limit was zero it wouldn't have happened?

I don't know what a realistic aim is, but I do know that trying to eliminate DD isn't possible.

fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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According to safe travel.co.uk the legal limit in Malta is 0.0 mg per mil whilst the rhino car hire website says that the Malta limit is 0.08% & the economy car hire website says that the limit in Malta is 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood so who do you believe?

I took what I wrote straight from the internet.


Cyder

7,053 posts

220 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
fatboy69 said:
He blew 4 times the legal limit....
So he was 4 times over the legal limit

So why would a zero limit stop him?
This. Itll just fk it up for everyone to try and stop the few who will drink a skinful anyway.

Craphouserat

1,496 posts

201 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Good post and warning to others. Don't want to argue or anything but you got what you deserved...you are alive and don't have a death on your conscience.

I've not read all this thread - just your post so forgive me if someone has asked this.

You took a car to your local? Why? Surely a local is just that - anything within walking distance and you should have got a taxi or a bus...but you know that.

Good warning to all. I hope things improve and you get back some of what you lost.

fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Ok. Points taken. I am not trying to be a kill joy regardless of what you might think. Apologies if any of yo think that was my intention. Because it wasn't.


Robb F

4,568 posts

171 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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I what way is this thread supposed to be helpful?

Its not news you shouldn't drink drive, or that bad stuff happens when you do it.

Its like me posting an advice thread about how I can't walk any more because I swan dived off a building...

Dusty964

6,923 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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I don't think it is supposed to be helpful?

Thought provoking, and a reminder that A stupid actions results can come back and bite you on the arse, but not helpful.


fatboy69

9,372 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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It seems that my original posting has been torn to threads because some people seem to think that i was suggesting banning drinking altogether which isn't what I said.

I am sensible enough to understand that the drink drink problem will never be irradiated however I feel that the deterents should be stiffer.


DonkeyApple

55,301 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Jimmy No Hands said:
Drink drive?



What do you think the girlfriends for? laugh
Keeping the wife on her toes? wink

Monty Zoomer

1,459 posts

157 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
Jimmy No Hands said:
Drink drive?



What do you think the girlfriends for? laugh
Keeping the wife on her toes? wink
It worked. She left him.