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Cassius81

261 posts

76 months

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Regarding the pace, or lack thereof, in the 4.3V8, so what?

It isn't slow, no matter what your point of reference and, to me, the fact that someone in some lesser machinery might be able to keep up is utterly beside the point. It is an Aston for god's sake. Whether or not you can win some childish drag race with someone in a souped up BMW is irrelevant. To me at least.

Having had the pleasure of driving, but sadly not owning a Vantage, I'd just cruise along, enjoying the interior, noise, fact I'd bought an Aston etc etc...

And as for the V12. Want.

RemyMartin

2,136 posts

92 months

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Since its release its been the No1 car I'd buy if I wont the lottery, in black....yes please.

Perfect proportions, stupid big engine, amazing v12 noises.

Epic

Dan Trent

1,017 posts

55 months

PH Editor Bloke

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Schnellmann said:
Think article highlights general problem with today's cars: lots of weight and too much power = only driveable in the wet (but sometimes in the dry too) by normal people with a whole bunch of electronics. If you took away the electronic intervention from most high performance cars today there would be a lot more people sitting in fields/ditches/etc, wondering what the hell just happened!
Exactly!

Interesting discussion too, keep it coming. And for what it's worth I'd have reached the same conclusion about the V12 without coming off the road. But I thought I'd throw that in too so you could all point and laugh and call me a twerp!


jellison

12,754 posts

164 months

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Devil2575 said:
jellison said:
Great noise - but they really ain't that quick. Best part of 1 3/4 TONS powers by a high reving (i.e. not huge torque) V8 (385 in 4.3) is no recipe for Proper speed.

I do likem' though. SC V8 would have been best (extra bulk of the V12 not there but just as much power / torque).

Should have been nearer 1500kg IMO (both of em).
I suspect many of the posters on this forum have not lived in the real world for some time.

What exactly is proper speed?
check profile.

Last one had shorter gearing than V8V, i.e. 400(real)bhp and 1100kg TVR i.e. 363bhp/ton. V8V is about 260. Next one is well over double that wink

jeremyc

12,201 posts

171 months

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Dan said:
... the ESP in the Aston at a similar pace the yellow light was ablaze ...
Here was your clue that perhaps the tyres (or something else) weren't quite up to the conditions.

But no. You seemed to need to continue to push on and try and prove your manliness.smile

Not so much a wuss as willful ignorance? wink

ETA: I'd still want the V12V over a V8, anyday. driving

Edited by jeremyc on Friday 27th April 12:51

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CliveM

408 posts

72 months

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I don't fly a plane - but there seem to be parallels with developments there?
Computers doing more and more and the underlying "rightness" without computers is now absent.

It's not always about the absolute stats, the pleasure of driving is about how much involvement you have in what happens.

franki68

2,633 posts

108 months

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some perspective here,this is the only negative review anywhere on the car,which means either all the other reviews are wrong and this is right,or this is right and every single other review ever done on it is wrong.

I know which conclusion I would draw.

TheOrangePeril

352 posts

67 months

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cheddar said:
George H said:
rolleyes It's hardly slow now is it? Faster than 85% of cars on the road.
Fixed
Maybe if you live in Abu Dhabi... I doubt more than one in 100 cars on the road are faster than a V8 Vantage - have you not SEEN the sea of Foci and Qashqai's out on our highways!?

Itsallicanafford

894 posts

46 months

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Should have taken the mx5 dan, it would have lapped up those roads...

Pugsey

5,772 posts

101 months

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Friday 27th April 2012 quote quote all
CliveM said:


It's not always about the absolute stats, the pleasure of driving is about how much involvement you have in what happens.
If you can't find driving pleasure and indeed pure laugh out loud FUN in driving a V12Vantage then, frankly, you're not a true petrol head. Note I'm not commenting on whether a lighter, less powerful car is 'better' or not. Just that the car being discussed here is HUGE fun.



CatalystV12V

562 posts

68 months

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Dan Trent said:
Schnellmann said:
Think article highlights general problem with today's cars: lots of weight and too much power = only driveable in the wet (but sometimes in the dry too) by normal people with a whole bunch of electronics. If you took away the electronic intervention from most high performance cars today there would be a lot more people sitting in fields/ditches/etc, wondering what the hell just happened!
Exactly!

Interesting discussion too, keep it coming. And for what it's worth I'd have reached the same conclusion about the V12 without coming off the road. But I thought I'd throw that in too so you could all point and laugh and call me a twerp!
Hi Dan,

I wouldn't call anyone a twerp, you're entitled to your opinion...
The perception that the V12 is in some way uncontrollable is quite weird.. I hardly light up the traction control at all, ok maybe I'm not trying hard enough... or maybe the amazing feedback I get through the light weight seats and steering tells me exactly what’s going on at the back way before I need to rely on the electronics... and I ease off...

If you stamp on the accelerator like a twerp ( wink) then yes you're going to have trouble... biggrin

I'm looking forward to some dry warm weather so that I can see just what the Corsa's are capable of... a recent post in the Aston section from a V12 owner in the US suggests they will be awsome...


swanny71

1,359 posts

96 months

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Yes Dan, you are wrong biggrin
I really can't think of any other modern car I'd rather own.

Pugsey

5,772 posts

101 months

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CatalystV12V said:
Dan Trent said:
Schnellmann said:
Think article highlights general problem with today's cars: lots of weight and too much power = only driveable in the wet (but sometimes in the dry too) by normal people with a whole bunch of electronics. If you took away the electronic intervention from most high performance cars today there would be a lot more people sitting in fields/ditches/etc, wondering what the hell just happened!
Exactly!

Interesting discussion too, keep it coming. And for what it's worth I'd have reached the same conclusion about the V12 without coming off the road. But I thought I'd throw that in too so you could all point and laugh and call me a twerp!
Hi Dan,

I wouldn't call anyone a twerp, you're entitled to your opinion...
The perception that the V12 is in some way uncontrollable is quite weird.. I hardly light up the traction control at all, ok maybe I'm not trying hard enough... or maybe the amazing feedback I get through the light weight seats and steering tells me exactly what’s going on at the back way before I need to rely on the electronics... and I ease off...

If you stamp on the accelerator like a twerp ( wink) then yes you're going to have trouble... biggrin

I'm looking forward to some dry warm weather so that I can see just what the Corsa's are capable of... a recent post in the Aston section from a V12 owner in the US suggests they will be awsome...
Good post. Someone PAID to write here should know how to drive just below or right on the threshold where electronics save you - or indeed have the skills to go over that threshold. Or, perish the thought turn 'em off. I live in hope that only journos with genuinely top driving skills will get the chance to write words that may influence other peoples important buying decisions - but am sometimes disappointed.................

annodomini2

5,107 posts

138 months

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This car has been top of my lottery win list ever since I heard about it.

NGK210

678 posts

32 months

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So, the TC/ESP had a momentary, and unexpected, shut-down - not surprised the car pitched you into a spin. Hardly your fault.

TC/ESP should be a fail-safe system - ie, an add-on, not a critical aspect of a car's overall handling setup.

If the diff had unexpectedly locked, all would be shouting: "Poor show, Aston!" But because it was a 'nanny' device that failed, it's an excuse for willy waving. rolleyes

It was a component failure. End of. Poor show, Aston! nono

Vantagefan

592 posts

57 months

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CatalystV12V said:
I own a V12 and before that a V8 (4.3)... Both are fantastic cars...

I use the V12 far more than I did the V8... it's more involving, more power.. better transmission, handling is superb, it feels really light on its feet... Yes it will bite you in the ar*e if you're silly, but knowing that you need to treat it with respect adds to the excitement and sense of occasion...

I'm not a skilled driver, but I'm gradually learning where the limits are and that learning process is great fun. It's a bit like mountain bikng (another passion), you need to push your limits slowly to avoid stacking in to a tree.. or ending up in the hedge..

I love it!! smile
I agree. A couple of factors that could have led to this review being a bit wishy washy.

1. Give a chap a car he's not used to driving that is very powerful in the worst possible conditions.
2. Give him only a day to test it to its extremes to give a decent view on the car.
3. Factor in it's not his car so the sense of responsibility is diminished, as is the understanding of its capabilities and limitations.

I've driven the V12V a few times and each time it teaches me something knew and I have to adapt to it. It is very different to the V8 Vantage or V8 Vantage S. It almost needs to be treated like a Vanquish!

Yes it's challenging, yes there are other cars of similar power that are easier to drive but no this doesn't make it a bad car. Once you get to spend more time in the car, on its good days and bad (and yours!) then you see that this unpredictability is its charm.

Maybe we could get an owner's review to summarise a few years driving experience rather than a day or two?

drgoatboy

404 posts

94 months

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I'm kinda with Mr Trent with this one.

Not so much in the fact that the V12 is a not a good car but more about the relevance of it on a British road.

I've had some quick(ish) cars but nothing like as powerful as this. Did I ever feel I had a proper opportunity to drive them anywhere near their limit on a public road - absolutely not.

Its not the kind of car you would track on a regular basis either, just too big and heavy. So what does the V12 do that the V8 doesn't in terms of speed or enjoyment on a public road? Probably very little. Sure it sounds good, yeah it looks amazing, but so does the V8, what else does the bigger engine really give you?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to find out what its like (as I've not driven either), but like a lot of these supercars I reckon just a month of ownership would be enough to give me the thrill of having driven.

getmecoat

bikemonster

1,188 posts

128 months

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George H said:
rolleyes It's hardly slow now is it? Faster than 99% of cars on the road.
Possibly, but the V12 is so much faster than other cars off the road!

sideways sid

453 posts

102 months

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Perhaps Dan's next career move should be an F1 driver.

" A badly timed electrical error "... sounds like the kind of thing DC would say every other race suffixing "we were having a good race and could have won but for..."

smile

sideways sid

453 posts

102 months

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Vantagefan said:
CatalystV12V said:
I own a V12 and before that a V8 (4.3)... Both are fantastic cars...

I use the V12 far more than I did the V8... it's more involving, more power.. better transmission, handling is superb, it feels really light on its feet... Yes it will bite you in the ar*e if you're silly, but knowing that you need to treat it with respect adds to the excitement and sense of occasion...

I'm not a skilled driver, but I'm gradually learning where the limits are and that learning process is great fun. It's a bit like mountain bikng (another passion), you need to push your limits slowly to avoid stacking in to a tree.. or ending up in the hedge..

I love it!! smile
I agree. A couple of factors that could have led to this review being a bit wishy washy.

1. Give a chap a car he's not used to driving that is very powerful in the worst possible conditions.
2. Give him only a day to test it to its extremes to give a decent view on the car.
3. Factor in it's not his car so the sense of responsibility is diminished, as is the understanding of its capabilities and limitations.

I've driven the V12V a few times and each time it teaches me something knew and I have to adapt to it. It is very different to the V8 Vantage or V8 Vantage S. It almost needs to be treated like a Vanquish!

Yes it's challenging, yes there are other cars of similar power that are easier to drive but no this doesn't make it a bad car. Once you get to spend more time in the car, on its good days and bad (and yours!) then you see that this unpredictability is its charm.

Maybe we could get an owner's review to summarise a few years driving experience rather than a day or two?
The post that you've quoted says VantageV12V drove Vantages that he owned for more than a couple of days.
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