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Prof Beard
6,540 posts
96 months
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XitUp said: Switzerland. Very high gun ownership, very low murder rate.
I was wrong about Canada having more guns by the way, just looked it up.
But still, the correlation between gun ownership and murder rate is pretty weak. The Swiss are prone to shoot themselves rather frequently though you will find...
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LuS1fer
28,472 posts
114 months
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XitUp said: Switzerland. Very high gun ownership, very low murder rate.
I was wrong about Canada having more guns by the way, just looked it up.
But still, the correlation between gun ownership and murder rate is pretty weak. Probably more to do with the degree of crowding and the expectation of what is unrealistically contained in the Bill of Rights like the right to have bare arms.  Not to forget The American Dream. The Swiss have no dream, they've already achieved it.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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martin84 said: XitUp said: It's roughly halved since the 80s. I'd have been worried about your threat then.
Interesting side topic, go read what Steven Levitt puts the US crime drop of the 90s down to. You can quote as many studies and figures as you want but the undeniable truth is this: Civilians having guns is a stupid idea. I disagree. We have had them for hundreds of years. You think only the government should be armed? Perhaps it is your view that is stupid.
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jaedba2604
702 posts
16 months
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XitUp said: Sorry, I'll take evidence over your opinion any day. martin84 said: Less people in Canada, more room for people to run away from those with guns.
I wouldn't say gun ownership has very little to do with it. Nations with tight gun control have far lower gun death rates than America, so either Americans are naturally homicidal - more so than everybody else - or its because other countries put less guns in peoples hands. Switzerland. Very high gun ownership, very low murder rate. I was wrong about Canada having more guns by the way, just looked it up. But still, the correlation between gun ownership and murder rate is pretty weak. try looking at the correlations between gdp per person, gun ownership and murder rate.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Jimbeaux said: I disagree. We have had them for hundreds of years. You think only the government should be armed? Perhaps it is your view that is stupid. Only people with extensive Police or Military training should be allowed to own a gun of any description. You shouldnt be able to pick up a shotgun in a supermarket alongside milk and bread. Civilians are stupid, the general public are idiots and I wouldn't trust them with a flower basket let alone a loaded gun, so yes, only authorities should be armed. XitUp said: But still, the correlation between gun ownership and murder rate is pretty weak. What about the correlation between gun ownership and people shooting at people?
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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What you folks fail to acknowledge, probably due to the PC, is that a vast majority of those high statistics are centered in very small geographical areas and consist of black on black gang-related crime. Not PC but fact.
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Marquis Rex
7,377 posts
108 months
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Jimbeaux said: XitUp said: jaedba2604 said: XitUp said: It's slightly safer. Murder rate of 0.81 vs our 1.23. Thankfully neither are close to the 4.8 of where you live. slightly?? looks like the UK is 50% less safe from your figures... And 400% safer than America. So 'slightly' is relative. Referring to us as "unsafe"; I should whack you for that comment! Yes it's so so unsafe here, I'm suprised me and Jimebeaux haven't been killed yet
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marcosgt
6,180 posts
45 months
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jaedba2604 said: XitUp said: Sorry, I'll take evidence over your opinion any day. martin84 said: Less people in Canada, more room for people to run away from those with guns.
I wouldn't say gun ownership has very little to do with it. Nations with tight gun control have far lower gun death rates than America, so either Americans are naturally homicidal - more so than everybody else - or its because other countries put less guns in peoples hands. Switzerland. Very high gun ownership, very low murder rate. I was wrong about Canada having more guns by the way, just looked it up. But still, the correlation between gun ownership and murder rate is pretty weak. try looking at the correlations between gdp per person, gun ownership and murder rate. I think the earlier poster will also find that Canadian bullets are very nearly as fast as American or Swiss ones  Easily fast enough to beat even Ben Johnson! M.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Jimbeaux said: is that a vast majority of those high statistics are centered in very small geographical areas and consist of black on black gang-related crime. Oh well thats fine then.
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doogz
18,667 posts
56 months
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martin84 said: Jimbeaux said: I disagree. We have had them for hundreds of years. You think only the government should be armed? Perhaps it is your view that is stupid. Only people with extensive Police or Military training should be allowed to own a gun of any description. You shouldnt be able to pick up a shotgun in a supermarket alongside milk and bread. Civilians are stupid, the general public are idiots and I wouldn't trust them with a flower basket let alone a loaded gun, so yes, only authorities should be armed. You're not doing yourself any favours with this post. Making yourself look a bit daft.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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martin84 said: Jimbeaux said: I disagree. We have had them for hundreds of years. You think only the government should be armed? Perhaps it is your view that is stupid. Only people with extensive Police or Military training should be allowed to own a gun of any description. You shouldnt be able to pick up a shotgun in a supermarket alongside milk and bread. Civilians are stupid, the general public are idiots and I wouldn't trust them with a flower basket let alone a loaded gun, so yes, only authorities should be armed. XitUp said: But still, the correlation between gun ownership and murder rate is pretty weak. What about the correlation between gun ownership and people shooting at people? Aren't you the conformist. Are you up for this year's EU poster boy? 
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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martin84 said: Jimbeaux said: is that a vast majority of those high statistics are centered in very small geographical areas and consist of black on black gang-related crime. Oh well thats fine then. Not fine but fact....still begins with an "f" though, so you have that going for you.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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doogz said: You're not doing yourself any favours with this post. Making yourself look a bit daft. Mate, tune in to the news every now and then or have a look at the comments sections on news websites. Maybe check out the fact a member of the public mistook a high vis scarecrow for Jeremy Clarkson and you will realise the public are thick. Are these the sort of people you really want to trust with guns?
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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Marquis Rex said: Jimbeaux said: XitUp said: jaedba2604 said: XitUp said: It's slightly safer. Murder rate of 0.81 vs our 1.23. Thankfully neither are close to the 4.8 of where you live. slightly?? looks like the UK is 50% less safe from your figures... And 400% safer than America. So 'slightly' is relative. Referring to us as "unsafe"; I should whack you for that comment! Yes it's so so unsafe here, I'm suprised me and Jimebeaux haven't been killed yet Cover me Rex, I am going to the fridge for two cold ones!
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LuS1fer
28,472 posts
114 months
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Jimbeaux said: I disagree. We have had them for hundreds of years. You think only the government should be armed? Perhaps it is your view that is stupid. Perhaps you and the government should shoot it out to decide who has the right to make laws and oppress. After all, you live by the gun, you die by the gun, you can't really have both.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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martin84 said: doogz said: You're not doing yourself any favours with this post. Making yourself look a bit daft. Mate, tune in to the news every now and then or have a look at the comments sections on news websites. Maybe check out the fact a member of the public mistook a high vis scarecrow for Jeremy Clarkson and you will realise the public are thick. Are these the sort of people you really want to trust with guns? The comments section of news sites? Can't get more factual than that, can we?
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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LuS1fer said: Jimbeaux said: I disagree. We have had them for hundreds of years. You think only the government should be armed? Perhaps it is your view that is stupid. Perhaps you and the government should shoot it out to decide who has the right to make laws and oppress. After all, you live by the gun, you die by the gun, you can't really have both. We have had both for better than two centuries now, so yes, I believe we can. A bit of checks and balances keeps things civil.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Jimbeaux said: The comments section of news sites? Can't get more factual than that, can we? What I'm saying is if you allow civilians to own guns you're therefore giving guns to the lowest denominator. Bad idea.
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doogz
18,667 posts
56 months
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martin84 said: doogz said: You're not doing yourself any favours with this post. Making yourself look a bit daft. Mate, tune in to the news every now and then or have a look at the comments sections on news websites. Maybe check out the fact a member of the public mistook a high vis scarecrow for Jeremy Clarkson and you will realise the public are thick. Are these the sort of people you really want to trust with guns? Do you actually think people just walk into Walmart and pick up a shotgun next to the bread aisle, then pay for it and walk out? Someone around here is thick.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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martin84 said: Jimbeaux said: The comments section of news sites? Can't get more factual than that, can we? What I'm saying is if you allow civilians to own guns you're therefore giving guns to the lowest denominator. Bad idea. You are so informed!
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