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Alex@POD

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84 months

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McClure said:
Sounds harsh.

However the person who owns the diesel A4 estate I saw yesterday who had put RS4 badges on it and changed the 4 to D to make RSD... *coffee beans*
Why? Has he been explaining to you how this is a rare special edition he had built specially by Audi?

If not, who cares what badge he puts on his car, as long as he's happy with it?

s2ooz

3,001 posts

153 months

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stemll said:
s2ooz said:
carreauchompeur said:
The trouble with DRLs is that it creates a bit of an "arms race" much like bigger and bigger cars.

If every car has bright lights on, then more vulnerable road users like motorbikes lose the additional benefit of having a headlight on...
this+
In what way? The bike is no less visible as it still has a light on. Some may argue that the bike will not stand out from the cars (don't buy this myself as bike lights are almost invariably higher and appear to flicker because of the additional movement) but it will still be evident that there's a vehicle of some type there.
"highlight everything, highlight nothing"

Thats the term that relates to this. If everything has lights on. you can't differentiate between them.

imagine a bike riding in front of a car at night. You are turning right.
You see 2ish - maybe three headlights. You assume they are all the same distance away. a trick of the light maybe, but its just the one car.

When in fact the bike is closer and closing faster.

You make the turn - and chop the biker up.
Biking at night is tough and scary because of this.

So during the day its much nicer to be the one with a light one, while no one else has. You stand out.

If everyone has lights on, you're back to riding invisible.

Lets take this another step. Volvo introduced the mid window brake light. It reduced shunts by 40%. because it was out of the ordinary. Now everyone has them. I doubt they are effective anymore.

A bike accident results in serious injury - bikers (cycles, pedestrians whatever) need to be as distinct from the norm as possible.

Timbuk2

1,018 posts

24 months

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s2ooz said:
"highlight everything, highlight nothing"

Thats the term that relates to this. If everything has lights on. you can't differentiate between them.

imagine a bike riding in front of a car at night. You are turning right.
You see 2ish - maybe three headlights. You assume they are all the same distance away. a trick of the light maybe, but its just the one car.

When in fact the bike is closer and closing faster.

You make the turn - and chop the biker up.
Biking at night is tough and scary because of this.

So during the day its much nicer to be the one with a light one, while no one else has. You stand out.

If everyone has lights on, you're back to riding invisible.
Totally agree with that.

s2ooz said:
Lets take this another step. Volvo introduced the mid window brake light. It reduced shunts by 40%. because it was out of the ordinary. Now everyone has them. I doubt they are effective anymore.
I think I read somewhere they are still effective (maybe not quite as much as initially) because it is an extra light coming on whilst braking not just the side ones getting brighter.

Alfanatic

5,983 posts

88 months

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Timbuk2 said:
I think I read somewhere they are still effective (maybe not quite as much as initially) because it is an extra light coming on whilst braking not just the side ones getting brighter.
I thought the light was helpful by making he bike stand out from the scenery, not from other traffic, but the night time experience posted earlier does suggest otherwise.

The third brake light, I would expect would still be effective when everyone has one, because it is nearly always visible through the following car's windscreen and back window, so you see the car two or three ahead start braking, and get more warning. It improves anticipation, in other words. In modern times with high boot lines the traditional brake lights of the car two ahead of you are often not visible.

schmalex

8,660 posts

75 months

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My Audi S4 has DRL's.

Fortunately, they also have an off button. Personally, I can't stand them.
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New POD

1,946 posts

19 months

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LuS1fer said:
New POD said:
Easyjet doing food ?
He must mean B&Q.
The food would hopefully last longer than the BBQ I once bought from there.

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