RE: Time for Tea? BR-Z and GT-86 take on MX-5
Discussion
I'm not knocking the fact that Toyobaru have created a car for driving enjoyment, and not reliant on brute power for that matter too, but looks cost little extra so why not inject some sparkle into the way it looks? The same has to be said for the interior too, i mean come on, plastic fantastic, they haven't even succeeded in ripping off any Euro styling this time either.
Also, if the Toyobaru is so great on a B road, that must mean the MX-5 is too. All for about £5k less...
Also, if the Toyobaru is so great on a B road, that must mean the MX-5 is too. All for about £5k less...
scarecrow said:
Congratulations Suboyota, you have created a roofed S2000 with less power and nearly as peaky power delivery but without the fun and twelve years behind Honda vtec.
erm so how else would you get this kind of power of out a 4 pot n/a motor?? 
Also what exactly is wrong with making a 2+2 affordable coupe with near s2k levels of performance?
scarecrow said:
Congratulations Suboyota, you have created a roofed S2000 with less power and nearly as peaky power delivery but without the fun and twelve years behind Honda vtec.
true, but it does mean I can take the kids to school and then use it, which means it stands a 100% more chance of me buying it, and I dont really want a 3 series coupe do I?
vz-r_dave said:
Always gets me when people base a car on its straight line speed alone, too many pub/keyboard warriors on PH these days.
The difference in lap times is approximately 2.5 sec. I am guessing the MX-5 is also wearing tastier rubber than the Prius eco tires the Toyobaru comes standard with. IMHO, best guess is it's at least 5 sec faster on that track over 1 lap if you put them on comparable rubber.dvance said:
The difference in lap times is approximately 2.5 sec. I am guessing the MX-5 is also wearing tastier rubber than the Prius eco tires the Toyobaru comes standard with. IMHO, best guess is it's at least 5 sec faster on that track over 1 lap if you put them on comparable rubber.
Problem with talking about putting better rubber on is you are pushing the price up further and few people are going to bin the dealer set of tyres.dvance said:
The difference in lap times is approximately 2.5 sec. I am guessing the MX-5 is also wearing tastier rubber than the Prius eco tires the Toyobaru comes standard with. IMHO, best guess is it's at least 5 sec faster on that track over 1 lap if you put them on comparable rubber.
It did help that the MX5 had its esc completely turned off and both Toyoburus had theirs on through most of the race. The gt86 does look like it's the livelier of the two!
marcosgt said:
Rubbish - Toybaru have created a car that's slower than an F1 car - What a crock of s
te! 
In reality, great to see someone (other than Mazda) build a car with the main aim of driving enjoyment!
If only one of the mainstream European or US-based manufacturers could do this.
M.
Correct sir!te! In reality, great to see someone (other than Mazda) build a car with the main aim of driving enjoyment!
If only one of the mainstream European or US-based manufacturers could do this.
M.
I'm so glad this exists. Think i'll be picking one of these up in a few years to rag the absolute tits out of around various tracks. The term 'ringpiece comes to mind; and i'm not on about the one between your ass-cheeks.
Love the video, missed Best Driving. Great comparison too - demonstrates quite succinctly that the Toyobaru is a good match for the MX-5 for fun with the practicality of two rear seats and a roof to make it an only car / everyday car that the MX-5 simply can' do well enought for many people. As others, just disappointed at the styling but assume they're holding back at launch for more visually interesting higher powered versions?
All that test showed me is that 6-7 grand more than a MX5 is a lot for 2 more seats and a small straight line performance increase. That and the fact the Toybaru is aesthetically challenged makes it in my eye not good value. MX5 still looks untroubled in the first/cheap RWD sports car market to me IMO
Good vid!! To be honest, i thought the gap between the mx5 and toyburu's would have been a bit bigger than that. Im guessing here, but they probably weigh the same? 1200kgs roughly, the toyburu's 200bhp, the mx5 160bhp??
a better test would have been against an RX8 ( yes i know its not in production anymore - but hey, its not ancient!).
Im really tempted by one of these, it will boil down to who offers the better finance deals.
a better test would have been against an RX8 ( yes i know its not in production anymore - but hey, its not ancient!).
Im really tempted by one of these, it will boil down to who offers the better finance deals.
MarkRSi said:
Could someone point me towards a new RWD 2+2 coupe with more than 200bhp for around £25k or less?
25k will buy you a brand new M Spec BMW 125i.A grand more for 123d.
Non RWD:
Audi TT
Scirocco
Mini JCW
My 25k?
Brand new Clio 200 cup
10k MX5
Edited by cheddar on Tuesday 1st May 21:06
I am so glad that people are now looking at this pair of (virtually) identical cars more critically. Aside from the fact that Toyota has stuck its neck out, a little bit, and built a car that is not a dull hatchback/4x4/hybrid I see nothing to get very excited about. If they had been conceived 5 years ago, then perhaps there would be something to celebrate, otherwise the limited daylight between them and the MX5 (despite a >10% power to weight advantage) over several laps tells you all you need to know.
Those looking for an enjoyable rear wheel drive bargain in 3 years time, feel free to rub your hands together. That is a victory for heavy depreciation - not automotive progress.
Emperor's new clothes.
Those looking for an enjoyable rear wheel drive bargain in 3 years time, feel free to rub your hands together. That is a victory for heavy depreciation - not automotive progress.
Emperor's new clothes.
Mr Sparkle said:
dvance said:
The difference in lap times is approximately 2.5 sec. I am guessing the MX-5 is also wearing tastier rubber than the Prius eco tires the Toyobaru comes standard with. IMHO, best guess is it's at least 5 sec faster on that track over 1 lap if you put them on comparable rubber.
Problem with talking about putting better rubber on is you are pushing the price up further and few people are going to bin the dealer set of tyres.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff