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shovelheadrob
803 posts
40 months
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rohrl said: Seven and a half less the VAT?
No that would be £6250 with VAT @ 20%
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billybob69
672 posts
14 months
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Graebob said: Stupid person sees bargain vehicle with "too good to be true" mileage, buys it, then whines when he does due diligence after the fact and realises it's f  ked. Standard Daily Wail bulls t. Caveat emptor. Spin on. I don't think you could get anymore sententiousness. People should be protected in cases like this as we all know me are human and sometime makes decisions without common thinking to prevail. Caveat emptor would never apply in this case in law due to the surreptitious actions of the seller.
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rohrl
Original Poster
3,749 posts
14 months
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shovelheadrob said: rohrl said: Seven and a half less the VAT?
No that would be £6250 with VAT @ 20% Well you should have seen how inaccurate I was before the edit.
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bimsb6
4,260 posts
90 months
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wolf1 said: Not all vans rack up high milages. British Telecoms vans tend to be pretty low. Went out to one of their transits today which was a 2007 with only 17000 miles on it. They aren't the only large fleet user to have vehicles with low miles when they are sold off. Very true mine does about 7k a year ,the city based would do a lot less.
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williredale
1,153 posts
21 months
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T5SOR said: They mean bugger all. Mine are always wrong. It's too much effort to go back and get it changed! True enough, my last one had the reg wrong. However you can see a number of years of MOTs and you'd hope that they would be accurate enough to see if it had been clocked to the tune of 200K.
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redtwin
5,857 posts
51 months
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rohrl said: If you buy a "mileage correction" (yeah right, because that's a valid thing to need to do) kit off eBay you give it a short back n' sides before every MoT and Robert's your mother's brother you've got a genuine low-mileage vehicle with supporting documentation. Or just disconnect the wheel speed sensor/speedo once you have racked up another year's worth of mileage. Much cheaper. As always, buy on condition only. Bits of paper with service dept ink stamps and numbers printed on them are proof of nothing. Not even the V5, which is the most "official" bit of paper attached to a car, proves anything of worth.
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Yiliterate
1,442 posts
75 months
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williredale said: True enough, my last one had the reg wrong. However you can see a number of years of MOTs and you'd hope that they would be accurate enough to see if it had been clocked to the tune of 200K. This would show it up if they did the clocking all at once; however, if they were putting, say, 60k a year on the van and kept scrubbing 50k off just before it went in for its MoT each time, the MoT's wouldn't look out of kilter...
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Yiliterate
1,442 posts
75 months
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williredale said: True enough, my last one had the reg wrong. However you can see a number of years of MOTs and you'd hope that they would be accurate enough to see if it had been clocked to the tune of 200K. This would show it up if they did the clocking all at once; however, if they were putting, say, 60k a year on the van and kept scrubbing 50k off just before it went in for its MoT each time, the MoT's wouldn't look out of kilter...
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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rohrl said: Cyberprog said: You should always check the MOT history online before buying these days, at least once a year, the mileage is recorded  If you buy a "mileage correction" (yeah right, because that's a valid thing to need to do) kit off eBay you give it a short back n' sides before every MoT and Robert's your mother's brother you've got a genuine low-mileage vehicle with supporting documentation. A lot of cars you will need to 'correct' more than the speedo reading and this cant be done easily. The real mileage will more often than not be held internally in the ECU.
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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Out of curiosity, whats to stop someone buying a high but warranted miles car / van at an auction, clocking it, then selling it at another auction as 'mileage not warranted'?
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redtwin
5,857 posts
51 months
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The law. 
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Nickyboy
3,389 posts
103 months
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Caesar9 said: It says that he forked out £6319 for the van.
Have I missed something but why was it not rounded to £6300, I've never paid something and £19 for a car. There's a car near me with a for sale sign in the window for £468
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daemon
8,742 posts
66 months
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redtwin said: The law. How would you be breaking the law? You are listing the car / van at auction as having non warranted miles?
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Burrito
1,208 posts
89 months
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wolf1 said: rallycross said: Its hard to have any sympathy for these idiots though
Mr Denton said: 'I was looking for a larger van and when I saw the Mercedes it looked ideal. It was five years old when we bought it, so the 76,000 miles quoted in the advert was reasonable for a commercial vehicle.
'The price was a little bit lower than the dealer prices I’d seen"
So, having looked at 2nd hand 5+ year old vans he thought 76,000 miles was reasonable.
Reasonable? I think unbelieveable is a better choice of words. Not all vans rack up high milages. British Telecoms vans tend to be pretty low. Went out to one of their transits today which was a 2007 with only 17000 miles on it. They aren't the only large fleet user to have vehicles with low miles when they are sold off. Our 9 year old vito is on a staggering, and genuine 19k!
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williredale
1,153 posts
21 months
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Yiliterate said: This would show it up if they did the clocking all at once; however, if they were putting, say, 60k a year on the van and kept scrubbing 50k off just before it went in for its MoT each time, the MoT's wouldn't look out of kilter... Having read the daily fail article the toerag in question was just buying them, clocking them and moving them on so it should have shown up. Your point is still valid though if it was a long term ownership.
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redtwin
5,857 posts
51 months
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daemon said: How would you be breaking the law?
You are listing the car / van at auction as having non warranted miles? If the law does not apply to auctions I would be very surprised.
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iva cosworth
6,777 posts
32 months
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rohrl said: Couriers obviously do big miles, 50K or more a year I did 48,000 miles in a new 1997 VW Caddy in 8 months as a Courier.
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rumple
2,527 posts
20 months
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I had to deliver a brand new sprinter once, it had 50 miles on it, i had to take it from wednesbury to radlett hand it over and drive back the one it was replacing, that one had 150,000 miles on it, apart from the fact it had been driven by a smoker and stank there were no difference to the way it drove, i could honestly not tell any difference.
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WeirdNeville
4,210 posts
84 months
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daemon said: redtwin said: The law. How would you be breaking the law? You are listing the car / van at auction as having non warranted miles? Is this bit not obvious enough for you? [quote]*Reduced a Mercedes van's reading from 364,370 miles to just 89,000 before selling it on *Sold another van having wiped 200,000 off the mileage *Will be sentenced today after admitting to 10 counts of fraud
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tim0409
720 posts
28 months
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daemon said: redtwin said: The law. How would you be breaking the law? You are listing the car / van at auction as having non warranted miles? I suspect the law differentiates between stating the mileage as "not warranted" and deliberately committing fraud by clocking.
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