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robmlufc
2,918 posts
56 months
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doogz said: Did anyone suggest that it would? Walm just did. Nice to know you agree with me though after all that.
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doogz
19,262 posts
57 months
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Clearly not for the reason you were insinuating.
And no, I don't agree with you. You seem to be struggling with basic comprehension.
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blueheron
365 posts
15 months
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ewenm said: I'm not saying you would do that of course. Just suggesting that not all drivers are as considerate. I do quite a lot of running miles on country lanes (usually getting from one footpath/bridleway to another) and the number of drivers who come round blind bends at speeds where they would be unable to stop if something else was coming the other way is remarkable. This. Most Horse riders don't want to be on the roads, just as much as most motorists don't want riders to be there too! Bridleways are a far nicer and scenic place to be. It's a shame they aren't linked up better.
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walm
3,458 posts
72 months
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robmlufc said: doogz said: Did anyone suggest that it would? Walm just did. Nice to know you agree with me though after all that. "Easier to keep under control" = "increased control" IMHO. For example: "The wind was much less gusty today; my boat was much easier to keep under control." "So did you have more or less control over your boat?" "More. My level of control increased."
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ukmike2000
291 posts
38 months
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I'm not getting involved in the discussion on horses and roads - the facts are that they DO have equal rights to be there and I DO slow down for them. BUT ....... this POLITE vest thing seems to be out of hand and borderline "passing off". Look at this lot >>>>>> http://www.lleequestrian.co.uk/#/polite-range/4550... Why would you want a POLITE rug under your saddle and battenburg neck collars etc unless you wanted to mislead the public? Try driving home in your white Volvo with your jacket on and I think some Policeman somewhere would stop you to have a few words, don't you?
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Alfanatic
6,038 posts
89 months
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robmlufc said: Not true. I don't expect blame for someone failing to control their horse though.
If you are out on the road in a car / on a horse / on foot / in a motorised sofa and I am on the same road in my car, and I do something stupid and you get injured as a direct result, I am responsible for your injury. Your reasoning is completely ignoring provocation, which is a massive factor. People can't always control themselves when provoked, completely unreasonable to demand that they also control a horse no matter what you are doing to provoke it. That's like expecting a dog owner to stop their dog attacking me while I am beating the owner over the head with a frying pan. Totally unreasonable.
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grand cherokee
1,871 posts
69 months
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robmlufc said: Because they can not control their animals? Not sure how the vest will help but hey whatever they feel good in. and people who cannot control their cars? - far more of them than horses etc
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steve singh
2,439 posts
43 months
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I do wonder if people drove past with care whether horse riders would ever both with these POLITE thingys?
I almost just coast my car past horses (and their riders) as I wouldn't want to startle them (e.g. no down shift or hard acceleration).
Horse riders normally give a wave of thanks and I carry on my journey - no big issue.
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FrostyCab
76 posts
38 months
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walm said: Jesus Christ - talk about passing the blame onto someone else. You guys should think about a career in politics. Just because you didn't read it and still passed it doesn't mean you "were never taught it". I am pretty sure EVERY driving instructor says "read the highway code before your test". Rule 215 says; "Be particularly careful of horse riders and horse-drawn vehicles especially when overtaking. Always pass wide and slowly." http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...Good point well made, but I think this whole thread will stand testament to how effective thats been... In fact a great many threads on this very forum will point out how much concern people seem to give the Highway code these days sadly. Politics? Ya cheeky begger, maybe you should reconsider your career in fishing btw as your not going to get a bite here with that sort of bait I'm afraid  
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FrostyCab
76 posts
38 months
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RemyMartin said: I like you. Why thank you... nice to know someone does! 
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forzaminardi
884 posts
57 months
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toppstuff said: Yep. That statement pretty much labels you as a weapons-grade bell end.
Well done. Here we go again. You realise this was debated to death about 2 months ago? I don't suppose you cared to read the rest of the thread to see how the discussion and my argument developed, did you? No, you thought you'd just go right ahead and post the first thing that came to your head. Poor soul.
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rudecherub
1,881 posts
36 months
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ukmike2000 said: I'm not getting involved in the discussion on horses and roads - the facts are that they DO have equal rights to be there and I DO slow down for them. BUT ....... this POLITE vest thing seems to be out of hand and borderline "passing off". Look at this lot >>>>>> http://www.lleequestrian.co.uk/#/polite-range/4550... Why would you want a POLITE rug under your saddle and battenburg neck collars etc unless you wanted to mislead the public? Try driving home in your white Volvo with your jacket on and I think some Policeman somewhere would stop you to have a few words, don't you? I asked this directly earlier. The answer thus far is the Police anecdotal account endorse these. None of the nay sayers it seems has reported a rider for impersonating an officer, nor have BiB's stepped in to say they would have a few words.
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BliarOut
53,692 posts
109 months
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robmlufc said: doogz said: Presumably then, your car is invincible and infallible?
It's utterly impossible that a failure outwith your control may occur, puncture, brake failure, spring snapping, bolt failing.
You're in total and complete control at all times, and nothing can possibly go wrong. Anything can go wrong, I might get hit by a falling satellite any time i'm outside. I wouldn't try and increase the risk of being smashed in the head by something by walking under something that looks a bit unstable and might land on me. someone or other said: So you want horses banned from the road because you might be slightly inconvenienced by having to slow down for them once in a blue moon.
Why don't you just say that? Not true. I don't expect blame for someone failing to control their horse though. Do you ever drive in the countryside? Would you expect to encounter wild animals in the countryside? Does it make sense to adjust your driving for the possibility of encountering a stray animal around the next corner?
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Vipers
15,629 posts
98 months
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R300will said: I have never seen police on horseback anywhere near me so how people can think that they are actually police is a bit daft anyway imo. I dont know what difference it makes if you "think" they are police riders or not? any sensible suggestions? 
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R300will
3,622 posts
21 months
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Vipers said: R300will said: I have never seen police on horseback anywhere near me so how people can think that they are actually police is a bit daft anyway imo. I dont know what difference it makes if you "think" they are police riders or not? any sensible suggestions? Well if you think they're police you are likely to slow down much more than if you thought they were just 'normal' people e.g. you always see people slow down for police cars it's just what you do. So for these people getting pissed off about them looking like police and getting caught out by it, if they thought back to the last time they saw police riding about their area then it might make them a bit wiser the next time they see them and therefore less likely to get their nickers in a twist about it. sensible enough?
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Vipers
15,629 posts
98 months
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R300will said: Vipers said: R300will said: I have never seen police on horseback anywhere near me so how people can think that they are actually police is a bit daft anyway imo. I dont know what difference it makes if you "think" they are police riders or not? any sensible suggestions? Well if you think they're police you are likely to slow down much more than if you thought they were just 'normal' people e.g. you always see people slow down for police cars it's just what you do. So for these people getting pissed off about them looking like police and getting caught out by it, if they thought back to the last time they saw police riding about their area then it might make them a bit wiser the next time they see them and therefore less likely to get their nickers in a twist about it. sensible enough? Yes and no, I can understand drivers slowing down for police cars IF they are exceeding the speed limit, but for a horse, why on earth would you drive slower pass a police horse than any other horse. Then again, there are car drivers, and car drivers.
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R300will
3,622 posts
21 months
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Vipers said: Yes and no, I can understand drivers slowing down for police cars IF they are exceeding the speed limit, but for a horse, why on earth would you drive slower pass a police horse than any other horse. Then again, there are car drivers, and car drivers. Exactly that's my point. Some will slow more if they think they're actual police rather than just normal people which is probably why they are getting pissed off about it because they feel like they've been fooled. It's not a good way to go about it but most people out there are quite stupid i mean the national average IQ is only 100 or something i think. I slow regardless and i know dam well they aren't police riders looking at most of the people round here
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Vipers
15,629 posts
98 months
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R300will said: I slow regardless and i know dam well they aren't police riders looking at most of the people round here Got you now, so I am not the only one.  Didnt know the average iq was 100. 
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Alfanatic
6,038 posts
89 months
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I believe that IQ tests were designed so that the average result calibrates to a score of 100. So whether or not the national average is 100 depends on how well the calibrating mechanism is designed, when the last calibration happened and of course on what IQ test you use.
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AREA
234 posts
95 months
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If these jackets stop one incident, what's the problem?
However, far better is the jacket I saw at our yard yesterday:
CAUTION: Lady rider with PMT.
Will get one for my daughter when she's old enough for it to apply.
Will make my wife wear one permanently.
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