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CoolHands

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64 months

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plusgas

SystemParanoia

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67 months

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thanks, ill make sure i get some smile

ill get a load of copper grease too.. cant hurt to be careful smile

Andyjc86

340 posts

18 months

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Use a flare nut spanner on the union as well. If you don't already have one then halfords sell them for about £8.

RWD cossie wil

1,841 posts

42 months

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Use diesel, it is amazingly good as a penetrating oil, it will unsieze anything. A couple of coats through the week will make your life a lot easier, if you can wire brush everything before it would be even better.

If it is really stiff to undo, gently try to do it up first, to break the corrosion, then undo it quarter of a turn at a time, spray with your penetration oil, then tighten it slightly, and then loosen again & repeat until it slackens easily, hopefully leaving your threads intact!

SystemParanoia

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ill definitely take things easy!

besides.. the mrs will murder me dead if i cause her to have to catch the bus to work lol
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thinfourth2

23,511 posts

73 months

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can you move the pistons on the cylinders as you should be able to push one in and the other will move out

Might not be a jammed piston

littleredrooster

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SystemParanoia said:
thanks, ill make sure i get some smile

ill get a load of copper grease too.. cant hurt to be careful smile
Copper grease is not compatible with the internals of brakes. Keep it well away from unions and anything in contact with brake fluid.

SystemParanoia

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thanks for the heads up!!!!!!!!!

SystemParanoia

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tackled this job on the weekend.

passenger side rear was slow going, nursed the spanner over the flarenut, and gingerly rotated it back and forth fractions of a mm at a time, and gradually increasing the swing over 20mins until eventually i got it free and swapped in a new brake cylinder smile hurrah!

problems came on the rear driver side.

i ended up rounding off both flarenuts either side of the hard line and they showed no sign of coming free... this was after applying generous amounts of heat.

so in the end i decided that i was going to have to replace the hard line and learn how to do this!


quick trip to machine mart later, i came home with a pipe bender, a flare kit, flare nuts and several meters of brake line.

the signs were ominous from the start as once i removed the flare kit from the box there was a large sticker on the case saying " For use only by Qualified Mechanic's "

so.. i thought i'd actually do a bit of research on how to use it!

10mins later after watching a few vids on youtube, i decided that a double flare would be the best way for me to go.

i cut the new pipe from the coil and proceeded to use the pipe bender, remembering advice i had seen/read in countless westfield build blogs, which said to clamp the bender into a vice to avoid kinking the pipe.

this process went smoothly and without a hitch.. and so began the flare job.

clamping it into the flare tool as tightly as i could get it using a vice grip/mole grip and a 32 ring spanner over the end of that to get extra leverage, i began the first flare.

flawless!! and so i did the second.. looked absolutely great!!

and then i realised.. i had forgotten to put the flarenut on.. Grrrr!! so in the bin it went and i started again! after that i managed to get it all bent, flared and ready to fit in a few mins.

then i had to tackle the rounded nuts on the old pipe.. so out came the hacksaw and i cut the pipe up against the inner flare nut and quickly swapped the brake cylinder ready to install the hard line, that just left me with the rounded nub of a flarenut to deal with.

.... A HAMMER! yes, i hammered a smaller size socket onto the damn thing and used my air gun to tear the thing out! awesome smile ( ill have to figure out how to get that nut out sometime lol )

the rest of it went together pretty quickly and easily, and after a quick bleed i thought i would be done.

i wasn't.. the both rear brakes were binding like never before! they felt like the hand brake was still on, so i stripped the drums back off again, and realised i had to reset the ratchet type mechanism on the pads to pull them back in.

and now all four brakes can spin free and no longer bind or make any noise what so ever! biggrin

Happy as pie now smile

thanks for all the tips guys smile

total job time, about 10.5 hrs .. next time will be much faster lol smile


Edited by SystemParanoia on Thursday 31st May 22:13

CoolHands

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10.5 hours? I think that's slightly over the book time.

Any pics of the new line? BTW how much brake travel have you go at the pedal? If its excessive you may need to take the drums back off and manually click the adjusters out slightly.

RWD cossie wil

1,841 posts

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CoolHands said:
10.5 hours? I think that's slightly over the book time.

Any pics of the new line? BTW how much brake travel have you go at the pedal? If its excessive you may need to take the drums back off and manually click the adjusters out slightly.
10.5 hours isn't too bad for a steep learning curve with fastners that don't want to play! Glad to hear it went well.

thinfourth2

23,511 posts

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SystemParanoia said:
i cut the new pipe from the coil and proceeded to use the pipe bender, remembering advice i had seen/read in countless westfield build blogs, which said to clamp the bender into a vice to avoid kinking the pipe.

this process went smoothly and without a hitch.. and so began the flare job.

clamping it into the flare tool as tightly as i could get it using a vice grip/mole grip and a 32 ring spanner over the end of that to get extra leverage, i began the first flare.

flawless!! and so i did the second.. looked absolutely great!!

and then i realised.. i had forgotten to put the flarenut on.. Grrrr!! so in the bin it went and i started again! after that i managed to get it all bent, flared and ready to fit in a few mins.
Been there done that

The ability to make new brake pipes makes life so much easier

SystemParanoia

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old brake cylinders with pair of pliers i managed to break



Close up showing the remnants of the bleed valves



Flare nut stuck in socket



Brake Pipe



Another View



Closeup of inner flare.. nice and dry smile



View with wheel on.. clear of all obstructions biggrin




SystemParanoia

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RWD cossie wil said:
CoolHands said:
10.5 hours? I think that's slightly over the book time.

Any pics of the new line? BTW how much brake travel have you go at the pedal? If its excessive you may need to take the drums back off and manually click the adjusters out slightly.
10.5 hours isn't too bad for a steep learning curve with fastners that don't want to play! Glad to hear it went well.
pedal seems very firm compared to how it was.

the ratchet's seem to have self adjusted ( i could hear them ) when i pressed the brake the first time after i put the wheels back on and lowered the car to the ground. smile

CoolHands

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Well done smile Won't win any beauty awards (the pipe) but looks functional enough; satisfying doing quite an involved job yourself, hey.

SystemParanoia

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right on both counts biggrin

i should have straightened the section i cut from the big coil of pipe... but i was terrified of kinking it the whole time, so didn't bother, and the result is that twirly drinking straw look lol smile

Perd Hapley

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Nice work, always good to see DIY spannering.

I went through the same hassle when I had to remove a driveshaft. Would have been just the driveshaft except the brake flexi had fused to both car and cylinder and had to be cut off. So I ended up having to replace both brake cylinders, then of course both adjusters were seized and required rebuilding and so on. Every nut and bolt a pain.

On the plus side, the brakes were SO much better afterwards, the rears must have been doing virtually nothing before.

SystemParanoia

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its a thing of beauty lol biggrin


but yes, the brakes feel great now, it tracks true when hard on the anchors, and the brakes actually feel much much improved over where they were biggrin

NHK244V

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Btoken tools, snapped pipes, nuts stuck in sockets, KUDOS sir, that's just how we prof mechanics do it biggrin

SystemParanoia

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beer

doing all these litle jobs to it makes me feel like i never want to get rid of it lol, as i changed the PAS front balljoint over christmas.
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